[quote=Doivid] Why do you think forge would be out so soon, aragorn? I saw that it took a ling time after the 1.7 update.Also I don't mind losing mcmmo for a while. Most if the benefit is mining, with some minor repair and combat bonuses. I do care about the security plugins a bit. [/quote] The devs of Forge, CPW and LexManos, said they expect a release in the middle of September.