[quote=mdk]
Sunbros have a little more leeway when it comes to the fatroll, because you're never gonna be one-on-one with anybody. It becomes a very tactical thing, where you force the red into bad situations with your armor and then punish him with your shockwaves.
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Yeah; when you're a PvPer, anything but fast and ninja rolling is going to get you hit mid roll or backstabbed. That's my understanding anyway, not that I'm very good. Some good PvPers (not me) pull it off for funsies sometimes. 

but i try really hard though does that count for anything