[quote=Magic Magnum] not 100% of people would go Day Z in real life. But a lot of people would, even if it doesn't make logical sense it was a lot of people will do out of pure selfishness and greed. [/quote] Yes that's actually more than likely. My idealism often gets in the way of my logic. [quote=Magic Magnum] but don't go calling an entire community dishonest/ignorant simply because you dislike the game premise. [/quote] Uh. I didn't. Quit putting words in my mouth, you're hurting my jaw. [quote=Magic Magnum] As for Dark Souls, griefing or not raiding players give benefits. It gives souls, it gives humanity. It is exactly what the game is designed for people to do. [/quote] I obviously didn't make myself clear enough. When I talk of griefers, I mean people who abuse game mechanics/pacing (the disgusting imbalance that is pyromancy scaling, getting powerful gear from a later area and then using them on people that are no where near being able to get to said area) and glitches (bottomless box glitch) to essentially pick on people. They don't care about the souls or humanity they get; that stuff isn't even on their mind when they go about their antics. They just want to fuck with people who don't have a chance in hell of beating them. [quote=Magic Magnum] Honestly, you're attacking players for playing a game the way it's meant to be played. If you don't like said game that's totally fine, but you not liking a game doesn't mean the people who do play it are now wrong. [/quote] This part is subjective in its entirety. Who says your/others way of the playing the game is correct, and who says mine is? People who share the same opinions. Keyword: opinions. I think it's against the spirit of the game to amp yourself up so you can get an unfair advantage against other people, because the game is meant to be challenging but fair. You may not think the same way, and while I may not like your view, I can't exactly do much to make you see everything my way(besides that'd be boring. What would off-topic be without stupid subjective arguments like these?) Also, I LOVE Dark Souls. It was my first souls game, and I have fun playing it to this day. I will also say this again: Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said everyone that plays Dark Souls is playing it wrong. I just disagree with the bad apples of the community who go out of their way to essentially bully other players.