Do you even look at what you write? I said that the astroturfing only hurt the movement. Its a thing a thats been used so much on the net, that its no longer anything else then seen as strawman like number manipulation. There are proper channels, and then there is manipulation. All it takes is one or two that fuck up and prove to be disgenuine, fake accounts and you have given your opponent a foot in the door. And that is what happened. On several fronts. And then there are anonymous threats, who are so easily used to discredit anything.