[quote=Rtron]Not with something you can change. If I complain about something I could change or could try to change and I don't, then what am I complaining about? I obviously don't care enough about it to try and change it, so I must be pretty much fine with it as is. It's like walking into your trashy room and going 'I hate all this trash. Something needs to be done.' And then sitting there and doing nothing.[/quote] It's more like if you wanted to move your room upstairs and you're being told not to complain because you don't clean your room (an unrelated factor). If someone see's issues with the voting system, they would in at least some sense be hypocritical by voting. And also, if the issue is voting how are you supposed to change it by voting? That honestly sounds more like "If you don't like the messy room, you should make it even more messy!". [quote=code gary]this was an ironic post but i wouldn't be surprised if you deep down hold this sentiment any thread that has someone swinging around calling themself a conservative and pretending they can throw around a standard of logic and reason embeds the thread with a deep toxicity[/quote] OT is meant for actual arguments, not personal attacks. There are other places on the site you can go to if you simply wish to attack a person's character, OT isn't one of them.