if that is the point you're making then make that point. all you said was "What shadows?" talking as if there was no shadows around. and the point i made in response is that the shadows don't have to be dark for him to see from them, they just have to be there.wile he would see better with darker shadows the number of them that litter places like forests, especially on the ground where all the dead fall is laying, he would have more than enough to grasp his surroundings better than any normal person would.

and again, if you're making a point, then make it. this time your said "And what symbiote? You're adding new (or previously unmentioned) abilities to try and justify what he's doing, and that's the very definition of PGing." with how you worded it you drew all attention to the symbiote making it sound like the entire sentence is focused on that rather than something that wasn't mentioned at all then acting as if i was supposed to magically put them together. especially after i said that i was taking out and by extension completely removing the thing you're complaining about. not admitting either of us are wrong due to it being a difference of interpenetration of the ability that's causing the issue and my own dislike of debating like this to the point of the actual fight being less and less fun for myself as the posts get further and further apart.

considering you were saying sorry for being like spock when it comes to these things a while back this is more than just an oversight. it comes across as you trying to make me look like a fool by comparison by deliberately misleading my response so that you can make a reply like you did for the second half. as for the first half you put your own limitations in that don't exist and claimed environmental factors that have not once been fully established. while in the picture it is sunny it only shows a limited view and doesn't include the area that the fight has moved to, meaning that other than showing part of the fight area and the momentary weather. (as a storm could easily be moving in from the direction of the picture along with more than a few other environmental factors that could happen) i hate to ask while i'm on the matter but have you ever been in a forest? i mean i technically haven't since here in australia we more have bushland than forests (although from my understanding they're essentially different names for the same thing from images and what i have seen in nature shows) but when in the bushland even in midday with clear a sky the second you enter the treeline there are thousands of shadows around you from the trees alone, not counting rocks, dead fall, fallen branches, termite mounds, fallen trees, non-tree plant life or differences in the height of the ground itself. saying that "his vision in this forest at midday would be little better than the vision of a normal person in a car park lit only by sporadic candles" is basically saying that it's not a forest, it's a big field with some trees scattered around it.