English has origins in french and spanish, yet I can understand neither of those languages. Nascar has origins in chariot racing, yet no one will argue that a team of horses can win a race against a superpowered car. Catch wrestling itself has origins in jujutsu and judo (apparently). Simply because one thing stemmed from another does not mean that the two things are comparatively similar. If Royce was curled up in a fetal position, he wasn't doing it right. Just watched the Royler vs Kazushi fight. Kazushi didn't win because he was a wrestler, he won because he was a better grappler. Pioneers though they may be, the Gracie's stopped winning as soon as other fighters started learning grappling instead of wrestling. Kazushi wasn't trying to control Royler's entire body, all he needed was one arm. That's essentially what Jiu Jitsu boils down to. Can a wrestler beat a grappler? Yes, they can. Is it the most likely outcome? Not at all. But all of this is entirely beside the point of this thread, which is to go to coruscant and kill each other. If someone wants to continue the wrestling vs grappling debate, by all means feel free to PM me.