[quote=Keyguyperson] Definitely agree here. I just suggested that if the entirety of the human fleet got together and attacked the 100 or so fleet the EU has in Sol, they might win, especially with my dreadnoughts that are basically sniper rifles with broadside weapons. Here's what duck said on the dreadnought matter:Doge Duck: WellllllllllllllllllllllKeyguy: I've got six or seven by nowDoge Duck: Iscandarian Dreadnoughts are much bigger then your averageDoge Duck: Thats why they take so long to buildKeyguy: DuckKeyguy: I already assumed thatDoge Duck: A regular battlecruiser is about the size of wnat most consider a Dreadnought]That's Duck saying that a battlecruiser of his is exactly as large as the biggest vessels a civilization that has colonized an entire system thoroughly has ever constructed.Here's another jewel:Keyguy: One questionKeyguy: How many ships are there laying back with the dreadnought?Doge Duck: 6Doge Duck: Keyguy: That's why you don't get close.Doge Duck: What are you going to do?Keyguy: Human dreadnoughts are basically gigantic sniper rifles that can fire giant blobs of plasmaKeyguy: except they have broadside cannonDoge Duck: Iscandarians have really strong shieldsReally strong shields. REALLY. STRONG. SHIELDS. I say my six or so dreadnoughts have plasma accelerator weaponry that's definitely capable of doing significant damage to some ships, and the response? "Uhh... they're like, better."This is what I heard after I suggested that the humans might be capable of winning:Doge Duck: I HAVE PLANNED THIS FOR A FUCKING LONG ASS TIMEDoge Duck: AND YOUR GOING TO FUCKING RUIN ITKeyguy: Okay then, what happens after you take over Earth?Doge Duck: ReformDoge Duck: Extermination of the rebelsDoge Duck: Strict right standardsNot that I can read minds, but that really, sounds like an excuse. You can decide for yourselves, but it doesn't take that long to plan three broad things. Given that every Iscandarian is exactly the same in their views and those are pretty well-defined, it doesn't take too long to figure out what those reforms and standards would be.This next one can speak for itself:Keyguy: You do realize that Fergus is gonna be mad, right?Doge Duck: YesKeyguy: And that he's killed hundreds already?Doge Duck: But Faust will come talk to himDoge Duck: And calm him*Sigh*This is the start of the argument (The most recent one, that is):Doge Duck: soKeyguy: HeyDoge Duck: are you telling them to pisss offKeyguy: Does the Dreadnought have hangars?Doge Duck: NoDoge Duck: And A 101 ship fleet is going to overpower ANYTHING the Terrnans haveNo, definitely not! It'll bet there aren't windows either, or any slightly misplaced subatomic particles. You also have to love how the first thing that gets said to me after I get an answer is "Oh yeah, I WIN". A slice from the direct predecessor to the argument that just happened, this was recent as well:Doge Duck: Favor pleaseDoge Duck: Tell the guys in orbitDoge Duck: The new contactDoge Duck: Jeddevans raceDoge Duck: To back the fuck offDoge Duck: Tel them that you wanna fight this own your ownKeyguy: Why would the humans do that?Keyguy: Their current line of thinking is "Fuck the Iscandarians"Doge Duck: Because they think the can perserveDoge Duck: And they dont know the aliens so yeahDoge Duck: And I dont want them interveneing anywaysTo me, that sounds like "So yeah, these people who are offering to save the humans? Well, since they can totally destroy my fleet, have the humans refuse their help. I don't wanna lose."Any opinions? Am I right? Am I wrong? Should Duck be punished? Should I be punished? Should we both be punished? Should I dance in a clown suit on top of a checkerboard cake with chocolate frosting? You tell me.(EDIT: Forgot to say this, I think, most likely. Anyways, I was totally a dick in that convo too. I yelled a lot, I obviously though I was justified. I kind of had a breakdown, and imitated duck in a particularly insulting way. I do have a pretty short temper, but either way, that's what happened. Duck asked me to tell you something, and being the smartass that I am, I'll do it in the one way he definitely didn't want me to do it:Doge Duck: Oh and the whole telling you not to ask for help Doge Duck: Was a jokeKeyguy: ...Keyguy: DuckDoge Duck is now Online.Doge Duck: It wasDoge Duck: And so was the Faust thing ) [/quote] See, there's a reason why I've never disclosed how many ships my nation has nor what their full capabilities are. Usually I just go with "they're big enough" and "there are enough of them to adequately progress whatever plot I'm working with". This constant one-upping is stupid. And to be frank I'd be more worried about 30 smaller FTL-capable vessels with high-yield missiles than multiple slow-accelerating slabs of armor and spinal-mounted weaponry.