[quote=Vortex]Wait, isnt this already mainstream christianity? What did you even change?[/quote] I'll note I'm mainly exposed to Catholicism in RL and mainly to Protestant on the Internet. But what he changed was: -God essentially seeing us as grown ups and leaving. According to other branches I've seen he never left, he still looms/watches over us expecting praise and belief or we'll be sentenced to hell forever (or if you're a casual, if you're simply not a good person). -He forgives us for all that we did and will do. Now, if this is strictly in reference to the Cross than this isn't a change. But if he's referring to general behaviour (which is a contradiction himself. If he died for all our sins at the cross, they would have no fear to enter hell) there's still some sort of condition for God to forgive you. Generally being simply asking for forgiveness or becoming a christian. A low requirement mind you, but still a requirement. He's not forgiving atheists, jews, muslims etc. who dismiss that he exists and therefore don't ask for his forgiveness for things. -Plus the obvious contradiction of, if God or Jesus (even if we go with the 'they're separate individuals' approach) truly said the things and committed the acts shown in the bible they are by any moral persons standards not good people, but very terrible and cruel people. But like I said, this is more of a contradiction. Since most Christians either turn a blind eye to this and call them good people, or simply don't read the bible to begin with so they have no idea who they're actually worshipping. [quote=Vortex]The nearly everything in the bible contradicts something else in the bible not to mention common sense and modern science.Which is why i don't believe in a two thousand year old book written by a bunch of superstitious desert people who had no idea how the world worked[/quote] Same, I was able to ditch such wild ideas at the age of 16/17.