[quote=Magic Magnum] I'll note I'm mainly exposed to Catholicism in RL and mainly to Protestant on the Internet.But what he changed was: -God essentially seeing us as grown ups and leaving. According to other branches I've seen he never left, he still looms/watches over us expecting praise and belief or we'll be sentenced to hell forever (or if you're a casual, if you're simply not a good person).-He forgives us for all that we did and will do. Now, if this is strictly in reference to the Cross than this isn't a change. But if he's referring to general behaviour (which is a contradiction himself. If he died for all our sins at the cross, they would have no fear to enter hell) there's still some sort of condition for God to forgive you. Generally being simply asking for forgiveness or becoming a christian. A low requirement mind you, but still a requirement. He's not forgiving atheists, jews, muslims etc. who dismiss that he exists and therefore don't ask for his forgiveness for things. [/quote] Ah i see. I don't really pay attention to the different beliefs of the many branches of Christianity, mostly since I go to a Catholic school and they like to pretend they are the only Christians that exist and so I wasn't taught about them. Instead I prefer to criticise Christianity (or religion in general) as a whole, which has got me in trouble many times before :) [quote=Magic Magnum] -Plus the obvious contradiction of, if God or Jesus (even if we go with the 'they're separate individuals' approach) truly said the things and committed the acts shown in the bible they are by any moral persons standards not good people, but very terrible and cruel people. But like I said, this is more of a contradiction. Since most Christians either turn a blind eye to this and call them good people, or simply don't read the bible to begin with so they have no idea who they're actually worshipping.Same, I was able to ditch such wild ideas at the age of 16/17. [/quote] Something which I love to point out and see how peeved people get