[quote=Kidd] I'm just still waiting on the MRM to do something for men, but it spends its time bitching about how terrible feminism is instead. A majority of MRAs think the issues men deal with today are caused by women and/or feminism (hint hint, they're not). I invested time in the movement for about a week before I realized how backwards it was. And most of the issues they talk about are things feminism is trying to fix anyway. [/quote] Exactly. I'm a huge feminist and I can honestly say that the kinds of feminists that seek to ignore/discredit issues that do not directly involve women are very much shunned. Many issues that plague manhood has to do with the very system feminists seek to dismantle. Take, for instance, that image of He-Man next to Barbie. Both characters are dangerous to boys' and girls' self esteems, both characters have very unrealistic body types and represent their toxic extremes of masculinity and femininity. Now, examine where they differ. He-Man is presented as an athletic, powerful man who fights and flexes and generally displays the traditional ideal of hypermasculinity. Barbie, on the other hand, is slim, doll-like and is often presented alongside toy homes where she may cook, invite her friends over or try on clothes. Both characters, I must reiterate, are damaging. But they are linked by the same system that has harmed men and oppressed women for ages: the idea that the man must provide, for women are fragile; that a man must be strong and robust, for women are weak and sensitive; the list goes on. This is where the issue comes in of people thinking feminists only want to support women. Every facet, every gender, is dragged down by the patriarchy and its expectations of men and women. This is the majorly abridged little mission statement, but I implore anyone who wants to know more to ask me about it or look it up yourself. Feminism is honestly very much worth a chance. [quote=Magic Magnum] And you're half right in regards to MRA/MRM being the equivalent to allies wanting recognition in an LGBT community. Except it's not so much a case of say the ally randomly walking up and going "Hey guys, where's my straight pride!?". But a case of the ally always coming to the LGBT club meetings, always being kind and supportive, but then suddenly being told "Their opinion doesn't matter, and their presence is merely tolerated because they are Hetero", and then being treated with suspicion and distrust for their sexuality because it's not LGBT. And then that ally stands up and says "That ain't cool guys, I want to be your friend but you're treating me like shit". It's not a matter of say Straights or Whites getting mad about equal opportunities, it's them getting mad because they are treated such hate and suspicion because the minorities are so quick to see them as an enemy and discount their opinions.[/quote] I'm sorry, but being friends with a group is different from wanting your opinion to be heard with just as much weight. I have many black friends and we, on occasion, discuss racism, classism and intersectionality, and during those discussions I know to back off if someone with much more personal experience on racism wants to share their views. Also, Gwazi: Dude, chill. There is no "pity party" when women genuinely discuss their fears, problems and personal experiences among other women. I expected better of you to be more respectful when people speak of something that is important to them and that is present in their daily lives, especially if they are comfortable around you enough to discuss such personal things pertaining to men. I do not agree with the assumption some of those women may have as far as men molesting babies or being inherently violent. Another thing feminists are against is the idea that men are monsters of lust that can't control themselves. I am not really sure what you mean by "their presence is merely tolerated because they are Hetero". [quote=Magic Magnum] The same applies women who are seen as giving in to gender roles (Ex: Those who choose to stay at home, or choose to work with children) or those seen as "Exploiting women/giving women a bad name" (Anyone who wears revealing clothing) for not aligning with feminism. [/quote] Feminism is about giving women a choice. They can choose to cover themselves, they can choose to wear revealing clothing. They can choose to stay at home and they can also choose to go out and live as they want. I have no idea what kind of feminism you are learning about.