[quote=Yog Sothoth] I have to completely disagree with you, there is no system that is not screwed in someone's view or another, and it's YOUR views not everyone else. See good and evil are simply just opinions on what's morally right and wrong, hints why our views have changed so much over human history. By your logic government is bad because there are countless systems out there that have killed tons of people, rigged elections, started rebellions and have become so corrupt that it seems impassible to fix, do we now get rid of government? No because it's human flaws that mess things up not religion or whatever people like to rip on. Humans just want to find something to blame for their problems rather look at themselves as the source of the problem. I'm catholic and I know full well what the church has done in its history, but i am also American and I know full well what my country has done in its history, but I am still a proud catholic and a proud American. If you are so obsessed with being part of something that is not guilty of human error then you're just setting yourself up to be constantly disappointed when things don't work out the way you want them to. [/quote] No system is perfect, that's true. But that doesn't mean I should simply be willing to accept and agree with any system just because flaws will always exist. Yes Humans are part of the problem, people wanting to blame something else rather than themselves. But what about cases where a child was raised by their religious parents to hate science, LGBT people etc? Is that a case of the child making excuses? Or is that a case of a rather broken belief system corrupting a child's mind? [quote=henrypotema] I don't like it when people hate people. I don't believe in God myself, I think it's silly to do so. But I don't hate anyone for believing, and I think everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. However I know a lot of people who identify as "athiests" who hate religion which I think is wrong. If anything I think atheists should be *more* tolerant, but sometimes that isn't true. [/quote] This does remind me to make a clarification because often times people misunderstand me. I don't hate religious people, at all. What I hate is how religion as a system as hurt so many people, and gotten in the way of things such as science and medical advancement.