I've personally put off jumping in on this discussion because I know when I try and point some flaws out, I've been deemed the worst scum of the planet and need to freak off (putting it nicely) and as seen it still happens in this thread. I have read every post and there are some very good point, even some that aren't worded in the right way due to frustration. Jorick has hit some of the key points as to why I believe people are starting to 'move'. I have personally been on and off the guild since 2008. This was always my fall back to site when I got into a slum and needed a creative kick in the butt. Though, I find until some things start to improve or promises start to be fulfilled I'm mainly sticking around for the art section of the site. Any role plays I had on here have in fact been moved to a personal website I made for me and my role play buddies just so we can stay in contact, through the massive lags and other issues. Maybe we felt the need to move because of the lags, or the long hours the site could not be accessed that happened over and over again. Maybe this things made us fear so much of the guild falling again and thus losing everything again. Drakel at the beginning of the the thread also had a great way of putting things in the right words. Hell I'm not even sure if I'm wording this right due to my own fears of being hated on without a good discussion or my own frustrations I'm an older member so maybe that's why I'm so frustrated with the state of things right now. How I feel the site has almost been forgotten for months upon months. I understand people are busy, and have lives, but if that is the case, why can't someone help Mahz? Or even if he takes maybe an hour or two a week to pop in try and work on some things or even comment in threads like when this guild came up. We also can't fully attack the mods on this, for a mod only has so much power to do things. . As to bring up things that have been nice, once people were able to get in contact with Mahz about the fall of the guild, he came around and worked his butt off to do something like that. The new style of the site is very nice, like the PMs and the tab system with IC and OCC being attached. There was also a rise of some new sections. Yes we are losing people, but that does happen with every site, there is also the fact to take in that many of the older members like myself are getting older and wont always be around. So no, I would not say the site is dying for people will always come and go. However, I believe that there is still some big things that need to be worked out. Even if we were to get a new thing once a month. Then again I have no idea how to create a site (Like it is being done) or how Mahz is doing it so maybe getting more improvements is a lot more work then I thought it would be. If so, tell us, maybe it will help people stop being so frustrating and thus raging, which leads to a huge battle of hatters . Even seen Mahz post here and there would be nice, it makes us feel like we're not being left behind or forgotten, it gives people some hope that in time things will get better. I understand that things take time, and no everyone has time, but if we're seeing the face (or username) of the person who has all the control of this site, then maybe people will not be as frustrated. Also, one last note, maybe those who storm of in a rage filled goodbye on either the guild itself or on facebook are doing so, because they are hurt and frustrated that the cries for help or 'bitching' seemed to be ignored or promises once again weren't fulfilled. Or as was pointed out before A points out issue, B says okay, C points out issues B says we know, A comes back saying issue still isn't fixed followed by some random letter that says STOP BITCHING. It's a big cycle we keep running into. Hopefully this was all said right, pretty sure I read it like six times before posting it, worrying about being attack. So if your anger and me or at the site or some other reason. Take a few deep breaths, do something else, come back and try to come out with a logical argument. ~Touch of Insanity