[quote=Revans Exile] I'm decided from Adam & Eve. [/quote] Im descended from Zeus Biatch[quote=mdk] I am descended from Robert E. Lee, so go pick my cotton. [/quote] Dont talk to me like that peasant! Im royalty! [quote=mdk] Well they were definitely slaves -- if anything should be in quotation marks it's "HIS." Dude owned slaves, there's not really a moral upside to that, so let's not step around the issue at all. Lots of people in history owned slaves. Once upon a time, Hammurabi was literally *THE* paragon of morality. We've changed. If we're gonna be objective about historical figures then we need to get past the part where we try to make them 'okay' by modern standards. Lee was kind of a bastard, who did lots of other cool stuff and was otherwise a pretty remarkably awesome dude. [/quote] Wait... Hammurabi isnt our moral model anymore? Geuss I need to catch up on the past two thousand years