[quote=@Keyguyperson] [quote=@The Patriarch] [quote=@Keyguyperson] fem·i·nism ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit noun the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; informalwomen's lib "a longtime advocate of feminism" This is the definition of feminism. Therefore, it's technically an egalitarian movement. As such, the people that so many tend to associate with feminism aren't actually feminists. [/quote] Are you aware that a dictionary doesn't stop a word from being corrupted? Words change, like the word gay was originally not a name of homosexuals, but it changed. If you're naive to think that feminism is incorruptible then I think a debate is meaningless [/quote] "Incorruptible" I'm not talking about a movement, I'm talking about a definition. As far as I'm concerned, actual feminism is just egalitarianism under a (quite badly chosen) name. I would write out a long explanation of this, but instead, I'll refer you to the list that was already posted in this thread. Again, because you didn't seem to understand it the first time. [hider=That Post]But they aren't. There are certainly some problems, and these are amplified by the huge echo chamber of tumblr. There are two main problematic subsections of feminism, which are made worse, echo chambers and all that, the PC SJWs and the RadFems. They are both on opposite sides of every issue, except "Rape is Bad". I have spent far too much time trying to understand the opinions of both, but mostly to my despair. SJWs Believe that women should all be sluts, because the patriarchy expects women to be chaste Decent Feminists Believe that people should be able to choose their lifestyle.RadFems Believe that women should all be celebate lesbians, because the patriarchy expects women to have sex with men SJWs Believe that gender nonbinary folks™ are the best thing ever, and is a good form of rebellion against the patriarchy Decent Feminists Believe that transgender people should be treated decently, and receive any medical help necessary RadFems Believe that MtF transsexuals are rapists and FtM transsexuals are trying to get male privilege SJWs Believe that porn is good as long as it includes, without fetishisation, fat people, conventionally unattractive people, genderqueer people, disabled people, etc. etc. Decent Feminists Believe that people should be able to choose their lifestyle. RadFems Believe that porn is men possessing women SJWs Believe that sex work is good, as long as it is run by women, and it includes, without fetishisation, etc. etc. Decent Feminists Believe that people should be able to choose their lifestyle. RadFems Believe that sex work is rape[/hider] Before I leave this thread completely (Because I already have enough youtube comments in my life), I'll leave you with my opinion on Anita: Good intentions, absolutely terrible at asserting them. She makes good points sometimes, but immediately after those she says "And this female character only exists to cause a problem for the player to fix!" when the character being female is purely due to an RNG. She's also way, [i]way[/i] too focused on her "Tropes Against Women" series. Yeah, we know that there are representation problems, how about you go help out people that are non-fictional? [/quote] Sexual objectification is a flawed argument because men are sexually objectified all the time, but we don't care. When someone complains about sexual objectification it tells me that they have low self-esteem and hate something about themselves. If a fictional character's makes you feel bad then there's something wrong with you and not the game. Video games are an art form and should not be censored by social justice warriors like feminists. Feminists are so immature and they never own up to their mistakes, seriously debating with a feminist is like debating with a child, it's impossible to debate with them.