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[quote=@Foster]
Somebody had to vote for these people, right?
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I think the problem is that nowadays if you're voting for a president who supports guns, you're also probably voting for a homophobic, racist asshole.
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Wouldn't it be great to vote for someone who is neither an asshole nor an idiot?

Problem is when a conduit for the people's will starts to think their own will is the will of the people, and decides to impose it against obvious opposition, they tend to become known as both.

[quote=@Callthecops]
[quote=@Foster]
Somebody had to vote for these people, right?
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I think the problem is that nowadays if you're voting for a president who supports guns, you're also probably voting for a homophobic, racist asshole.
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Wouldn't it be great to vote for someone who is neither an asshole nor an idiot?

Problem is when a conduit for the people's will starts to think their own will is the will of the people, and decides to impose it against obvious opposition, they tend to become known as both.

[quote=@Lord Pie]See I think I'm quite fortunate to not have the availability of those kind of things - I was a very unstable child and it might not have gone so well one way or another, at least I don't think i'd still be around. I guess on one side it shows a huge amount of 'national maturity' in a way. I think if the UK had that kind of access it wouldn't go well at all - but I suppose that'd lead on to the kind of debates we are avoiding.
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You seem pretty afraid of yourself,
Consider safe gun-handling like safe car ownership.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymFuWrrd_fY]It takes literally like... 6 months to get over guns.[/url]

You fasten your seatbelt.

You check your blindspot and try your damndest to keep yourself aware of any vehicles riding up alongside and about a sneeze away from trading its paint-job for yours.

You don't drive your car on the sidewalk to get around slow people. Nor do you run people over -repeatedly- just because they flip you the bird while standing on the crosswalk.

You don't lock yourself in your car, in the garage, start the engine, and fall asleep while listening to your favorite music one last time.

In America, the idea of needing a 'legitimate [i]need[/i]' as defined by someone else with a gun seems kinda communist as needing the mayor's consent to own and then a separate consent to actually drive a car out of your own town (that need as defined by someone who more than likely does not have that limit imposed upon themselves).

You want a GTO Firebird and move to a different state? [i]Go buy one and drive[/I].
-Do you *NEED* a GTO to do that? No, but you want one and it'll work fine without spontaneously exploding on the highway. What is the problem?

When government says you can't have something you [i][u]want[/u][/I] because they don't see you "needing" it badly enough to let you have it, what's to stop them from saying you don't "Need" other things you [i][u]want[/u][/I]? Like a new place to live? Or a new president?
-America's answer: Guns, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ut6yPrObw]a lot of them[/url]. And not a single one in the hands of the Army.

The concept touted on why gun control fails [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DangerousDeserter]is the same reason why encountering a deserter from the military is an omen for a very terribad day.[/url]

Granted, when kids are young and immature, they get behind the wheel and make "Vroom-vroom" noises, but that's just them pretending an action without a destination.