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I think the confusion happened here:
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He thought that he had not taken into account the starting four points, while when I was trying to help him out, he (I presume) did not notice that I [b]did[/b] take that into consideration.

Also, while we (or I) have your attention, do I need to take a certain trait for a Tercio-style army, or could I just say when I ask for rolls: "Could I have some Pikemen and Cavalry added to my army", knowing fully that such a request will reduce the number of my musket-clad soldiers?
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Outdated Army would probably give you musket men plus Calvary and pikemen, although Gowia would have to confirm.