[quote=@darkwolf687] Perhaps it was the starting with a bunch of galaxies and outmatching everyone else by default that was the problem with that, not the owning a bunch of galaxies, haha [/quote] The Supremes didn't have a big fleet. They had one, single fleet, and they only had singular big ships. Everyone outmatched them, because numbers. I had them running from Duck's fleets because of how outmatched it was- three ships aren't a force against an entire fleet of hundreds. The Supremes didn't even have a hundred warships- everyone else had thousands. Oh, individually, they could match any ship, and they carried some pretty powerful stuff, but they never attacked anything, and couldn't because of certain death. They had more technology, not more power. Outclass, yes, but that's 'bout it.