[quote=@mdk]I'm not convinced that systematic oppression against [i]anybody[/i] exists in the West.[/quote] Yes. The West. As you imply with this statement though, there is an East. (Also it does still exist in the West) [quote=@mdk]The closest we have are situations where people in impoverished areas aren't getting enough help -- but that's a far cry from the evil villain twirling his-or-her mustache and cackling as the oppressed are HELD DOWN. That shit don't happen here. Apathy is not oppression, and apathy is as close as we get. Congratulations, us![/quote] Okay but an apathy towards the plight of the downtrodden, who are held in that position by a system that is kept in power by your apathy is literally oppression of the downtrodden. [quote=@mdk]TLDR -- We need to figure out a better way to handle date-rape, soft harassment, and similar crimes. The system as it's set now is unfair to men, sure, but downright [i]insulting[/i] to women -- two of the three examples I have from personal experience, the woman was told in no uncertain terms "It doesn't matter what you say now, you aren't strong enough to handle this on your own, and we don't care what you think you want, [i]we're going to do what's in your best interest and you don't have a say in it.[/i]"[/quote] #thankspatriarchy [hr] [quote=@BrokenVeil]They are kinda right...Some things they go a bit overkill on, but I think all groups like that are like that.[/quote] Dog, their whole philosophy is that all women are cold shrews who only want them for their money so they choose to be virgins. [hr] [quote=@Vilageidiotx]I agree completely, and that is part of what I meant when I said the problem of our generation (in the west) is going to be economics, not civil rights. It's not about what racial or gender demographic you are born to anymore, its about the general access to wealth.[/quote] You say that like the two aren't intrinsically tied to one another.