[quote=@Carnevile] [@Dead Cruiser] Try taking on the Black Forest, I'm sure it'll be the end of your faction. And it's much more than just a scary forest, it's a living organism, each tree is connected, they see everything, no matter where you are, whatever horrors lie in the Black Forest will be your end; and even if you do survive some of the more insect like monsters, then the Executioners or Tor'qux himself will. You wouldn't be able to get your machine things through the forest anyway, too dense. [/quote] "Dense forest" isn't exactly an obstacle to massive war machines. About half of the Deus Machina fly anyway. A little aerial firebombing ought to do the trick. Anyway, I digress. [quote=@Carnevile]Other Old Gods are either too fast, evasive or powerful for you to kill, plus since you're breaking Halax'zen's toys, wouldn't it make sense that you'd be pissing him off so much that he'd just obliterate you within seconds... 'cause he's a God. An unkillable God that wields more power than every Old God combined. [/quote] I think a big issue here is that neither of us at any point divulged the power level that we're working on, and it seems like we're each pulling things out of our ass to oneup each other. Well, I mean, I can only speak for myself there. In any case, I would outright declare what a Deus Machina can and can't do, since no one present has seen one in action IC. Also, aren't there good gods to oppose these other ones? And is that what we can expect IC? Divine instakill retribution as soon as we go off the rails? [quote=@Carnevile] No. You're not killing a God. Ever. If your group can take down Gods and Old Gods then what's stopping him from annihilating the Council and the Paladins. [b]Downscale your power or be removed.[/b] [/quote] [i]Snoozefest.[/i] Like I just mentioned, a singular entity is far easier for them to take down than an organization. They can gang up on a single god, hard to do that to an army. Not to mention that they solidly don't care about the Council or the Order. They've only just begun to because they've started to become a nuisance. But as long as we're taking our toys and running home, I'll just say that they fight off Malign Deities; alien gods and other such extradimensional/terrestrial entities. Too busy having punchups with Nyarlathotep to worry about knockoff Cthulhu.