[quote=@Ace of Hearts] But even then, linking videos to guys who wank about games is ridiculous, because like any other form of art, it's entirely dependent on the viewer, and therefor entirely subjective. [/quote] I don't view games as art, I view them as entertainment. I view games designed with the intention of being art as art, but most aren't. When a painter brings his brush to a canvas, he starts with the intention of creating art. That isn't to say that the intro of Bioshock 1 wasn't "artistic". It was barely interactive so all you were left with is some form of art. Aka it was an actually useless scene from a gameplay perspective, but there's that Oscar Wilde quote about art that goes "The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely". But the game design of shooting people in the face and electrocuting them wasn't created with the intention of art. It was created with the intention of creating an experience and not all experiences are art. Paintball, while it does have paint, wouldn't be considered an art form. That's why paintball and video games have the word "game" attached to them. What makes a fun experience can be subjective too though, so I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. Edit: I suppose I dislike the notion of calling everything "art" because in the case of videogames the word has been attached only very recently to something that for most people is just "fun shooty/fighting/strategy" experiences. For the vast majority of gamers, games are a hobby to whittle away the hours. The same can be said of movies, but movie goers don't typically sit down for six hours at a time and then proceed to revolve their lifestyle around one single hobby.