[@KatherinWinter] smiles as he turns into the morning star flail form. So far so good the connection was there but it was faint they needed to focus [color=ed1c24]"come on zack we can do this i have faith in you."[/color] the form he was in the handle was about 12" but the chains were about 8 feet in chain link and the ball itself was lightweight but the impact made it feel like it was 80 pounds