[quote=Hank] That's not something I define as mathematics or actual physics. It's a layman's explanation of the facts. That, of course, I adore and indulge in plenty. [/quote] Can I ask how you define maths and actual physics? Or rather, where the line is drawn? The way I see it, 2+2=4 is as fundamental and real as any complex concept a mathematician could come up with. The layman's explanation might be simplified, but it's no less true (assuming good reporting, that is.) I only learned the mathematics of why applying force to open a door at the hinge has less effect than applying the force at the outer edge, but even without knowing the maths, just knowing where to most effectively apply force inherently contains core knowledge and comprehension of important physics concepts (that was a clusterfuck of a sentence, jesus.)