[quote=@Vilageidiotx] You know, I never voted for the guy, I voted third party both those elections, but I do think he turned out okay. Decent person? Fuck no. Decent for a president? Well, yeh, if you compare him with other presidents rather than with people. Though I suppose being the generation that came to adulthood watching Bush the Second lowered my standards something awful. [/quote] Until there's a major shift in the zeitgeist, a vote for a third party is a vote wasted.