[quote=@Vilageidiotx] I don't think the law should be "There isn't a problem if somewhere somebody else is doing worse." I mean, you don't stop a murder trial because the murder rate in Somalia is higher than it is in your western country. The thing with SJW's is all a matter of optics. There are a lot of people in that field that are rather level headed and focus on things with some level of philosophical consistency, then there is a lot of teenagers and college freshmen who just want to yell at people. The MRA movement might be the same way, though I admit I've only ran across MRA's in the context of complaining above feminism. But if you show me an MRA who is actually focused on, like, child support reform or something like that, then I think most of us would agree that guy is cool. So really the thing is you gotta keep in mind not to judge a movement by its most extreme example. Can't judge SJW's by the echo chamber part of tumblr. Just like you can't judge Christianity by WBC, can't judge the right by Neo-Nazi's, the left by Stalinists, or the Trump campaign by Donald Trump. [/quote] As far as all movements having a range, you're not wrong. There are plenty of reasonable people who consider themselves feminists, and even warriors of social justice. Heck, a good friend of mine is a die-hard Maoist communist, and he's one of the most level-headed people I know. Likewise, one of the most respectable men I've ever known, a former boss of mine, is a Pentecostal Christian who believes the Illuminati control the government. There are people in any subset of humanity, who can still be wonderful human beings either way. I'd even go so far as to say you can't judge all Neo-Nazi's, all Stalinists, all Wesboro Baptists, or all Donald Trumps XD As such, maybe I should frame the argument in terms of popular trends. There is a popular trend among self-identified feminists and SJW's, to describe MRA's as essentially having actual debilitating disorders. For a group of people who supposedly uphold values of inclusiveness and support for the downtrodden and the socially unaccepted, it seems odd that such an insensitive trend would be so prevalent. So prevalent, in fact, that we all immediately recognize it, and get the joke. I'm not saying I personally have a problem with it, but it just seems a bit hypocritical to me. Also, pardon me. I didn't mean that it's okay to be "X" because someone else is even more "X". Looking back, I realize I didn't articulate it that well. I was more thinking along the lines of "Chinese people are extremely racist, and even then it's hardly a problem. If it's hardly a problem, in countries that we'd consider to be extremely racist, it surely isn't a problem at all in the West". As a non-Chinese person, living in a smaller Chinese city, you constantly have people staring at you, making off-hand comments about "foreigners", trying to overcharge you when you buy things, and occasionally wanting to befriend you simply due to the novelty of it. None of this affects the actual important aspects of your life in any meaningful way. If you are qualified, and now how to impress the locals, you can get a job without difficulty. If you speak their language and pander to their culture, you'll have no problem shopping, eating, or traveling. If you take care of yourself, and are charismatic, you can find friends, connections, and a wife. Black, white, brown, asian, hispanic, these things are true for all races in almost every country. When there isn't actual institutional oppression like slavery, the fight against bigotry almost always comes from a certain wealthy class of people, who don't have to worry seriously about comfort, health and security. Instead of fighting for success and safety, they start fighting for petty minor comforts and peeves. You only start complaining about the old racist/sexist/homophobic men on the bus who keep staring at you, when you've got a satisfied stomach, and you're traveling from a nice home to a nice job. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0D-ot2tso8[/youtube] Basically, my point is that no actual black people were harmed in the making of this commercial, nor will they be harmed because of it. This type of content panders to actual racists with actual bigoted opinions, and yet still, no notable harm is done. Now take the West, which is the least racist part of the world by far. Any kind of racial discrimination is already illegal, and racism is so hated, that actual racists are either in hiding, or are pushed out of society. Even still, you have certain SJW's complaining about "racism", and raising a fuss. At this point, I think their protests and complaints serve to only make movements for social justice look petty and unnecessary, rather than actually highlighting any worthwhile concerns.