[quote=@Jotunn Draugr]
It may be set in motion, and there may be no stopping it, but this doesn't mean it should be supported. Johnson puts his name behind it, as though to make people think it's a good thing, simply "because free market" or some other buzzword nonsense. At the very least, he can be honest with the American people, and tell them that they're getting a bad deal. Bernie was open about that. Even if Trump wins, and lets it pass, at least he's letting us know that we're getting fucked. Gary Johnson is only helping the elite stay in power, and keeping the public uninformed about what's killing their jobs, driving wages down, and letting trillions of dollars flow out of the country.

And now the cat's out of the bag, and the TPP is so hated that even Hillary has to pretend to be against it, yet Gary is still standing by this deal that everyone knows is bad for them. 

I seriously think that what people love about Trump (aside from the wall and the Muslims, of course), is that he's open and straightforward about why we're being fucked, how we're being fucked, how long we've been fucked for, and how hard the thrusts are. I've never heard any other politician talk about the logistics of how China abuses the world's free-trade agreement by artificially devaluing its own currency, to make it impossible for western countries to compete in manufacturing. Trump actually did that, and no one ever gave him credit for it.
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Discounting Johnson because, being a Libertarian, his ideas about economics are cartoonish and can be dismissed off hand, it isn't strange for politicians in the US to denounce the TPP. It doesn't particularly stand out with Trump. Opposing those sorts of trade agreements gets you points with working class Americans, and a lot of people have been at it for a while. As you pointed out, Bernie did it, as has a number of people of the fringes of both the right and left. It's more common to hear on the ground I suppose, among local politicians in their campaigns. It's the centrists that have been pushing it.

It seems disingenuous to me, however, for somebody to come out against TPP and then push a bunch of right-wing BS behind it. If you are trying to help the working class, you are not coming from that direction, because there is no way any of that can ever help anybody but the aristocracy. If he was, like, flanking the Sanders camp from the left, maybe I could have got behind that, but coming from the right makes it come off less like something he really gives a shit about and more like a populist carrot right before the reaganomic stick.

Not to say Clinton cares, but shit, I'm not voting for her either. 

[quote]Yes she's 55, but I really don't think she looks it. She's got those cheekbones or something, and she's actually got a pretty great body if you see her in a tight t-shirt and shorts... just sayin' (daaaayyymmm). Plus, she's charismatic as hell.
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I never really liked the method of charisma favored by the right. Like, the entire Nuremburg rally style, where you act really really mad and nasty about trivial shit, it has always just annoyed me. It annoys me when the left tries to copy it too. I know i've seen her do that, and O'Reilly of course... and Hannity and Limbaugh have a version of it. And there for a while MSNBC was playing at a left wing version of it (they might still be but I haven't paid attention to them for a while). And it is especially grating to me to have that sort of anger presented by, like, some rich-ass pundit. You give me a poor motherfucker on the street and I'll feel his emotions, but if your put some yacht-owning piece of shit on there yelling like they've ever did anything meaningful with their lives, and all it inspires in me is nostalgia for the old guillotine days.