[quote=@Buddha] [@Vilageidiotx] Again, I'm not American, the whole 'raping a girl who is unconscious at a party' has never happened here in my lifetime. I've not seen it in the news once. Rapes here happen at night, in quiet places, or happen by a relative/friend of the family. There's just a totally different culture here - which to a feminist doesn't matter because the world is all based off of the USA anyway - and sad to say but rape is a non-issue here in the sense that it occurs so little and in such controlled areas that it's hard to blame men for it. [/quote] I think at this point I'll have to mention before any advancement of the argument is given on what both countries consider rape to be under their native legal code. To start, the US Department of Justice defines rape as: "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." And I believe from some other thread I heard or read you were from the Netherlands; correct me if I'm wrong. But for comparison's sake Dutch law defines rape as: "A person who by an act of violence or another act or by threat of violence or threat of another act compels a person to submit to acts comprising or including sexual penetration of the body is guilty of rape and liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than twelve years or a fine of the fifth category." By comparison of these two laws we see to different situations which define what a rape is in either country and explains why here in the US we can consider drugging an individual so they may be more complacent or unresponsive as an act of rape. Where is in the wording of Dutch law's "A person who by an act of violence or another act or by threat of violence or threat of another act" presents a definition more focused on the act of force or the threat of force direct or indirect. It doesn't explicitly include or discuss coercion as much as US law. US law was also before 2012 a bit more complicated in American style by allowing each state or jurisdiction of the country make its own slightly different definition of rape. The FBI originally changed the definition from "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" to the current definition, which I will say again seems to suggest all forms of coercion and not just violence or the threat of violence. This may serve to explain the difference in how rape may be reported or talked about between our two countries. If a chick gets drugged at a Dutch party and isn't capable of giving consent and gets boned it may not be reported in the same way as it would be in the US and it may be entered into a whole different system. But I'm not a Dutch legal expert any more than I am a US legal expert. There are other factors too about rape statistics since no one really records incidents retroactively so male-male rape was never really reported in the US since it was never really legally relevant until the definition change. Marital rape likewise was never part of Dutch law until - as I have read - 2011. But now in the sake of broader comparisons, let's pull samples from other European law books. Auf Deutschland: "Whoever compels a woman to have extramarital intercourse with him, or with a third person, by force or the threat of present danger to life or limb, shall be punished by not less than two years’ imprisonment." This was the law around 1997. It's since been amended a couple times and has come now to include the illegalization of marital rape, sex with a woman when she says "No", and groping as sexual assault. Finnish defintion(s): "(1) A person who forces another into sexual intercourse by the use or threat of violence shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least one year and at most six years. (2) Also a person who, by taking advantage of the fact that another person, due to unconsciousness, illness, disability, state of fear or other state of helplessness, is unable to defend himself or herself or to formulate or express his or her will, has sexual intercourse with him or her, shall be sentenced for rape" [i]Chapter 20 - Sex offences Section 1 - Rape[/i], if you need that at all. France: "Any act of sexual penetration, whatever its nature, committed against another person by violence, constraint, threat or surprise, is rape" And for the UK, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_Kingdom]I'll just puke this here since British law for Rape seems to be even wackier in terms of how non-standardized it is.[/url]