[quote=@ClocktowerEchos] Lets see how many people this triggers. In the argument of Freedom vs Order, Order always wins. You don't build civilization on freedom, you do it on order. Freedom is overrated in that regard, you could easily get rid of a few and no one would notice a difference in that regard minus the inital out burst. [/quote] "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. " Orders almost always applied in the sense of "if we destroy this SPECIFIC GROUPS freedoms, then this groups, then this groups, then put everyone under the same cultural banner and ruleset, then everything will be great." Except for the people you would have to kill or destroy the happiness of to make it work. Though I guess order vs chaos is really just "how, exactly, do you think people should die" when you come down to it. Should they see the man that has them killed, or have their death ordered? The internet is one of the greatest sources of disorder in the world at the moment.