[@Ghost Queen] I'd propose similar to the average height of a human, maybe high end human average, on the basis that most other chimeras presumably don't acquire- or for that matter lose- a lot of size from their starting point. But like many things I say, that may be something I'll want to bring up with Solaris, who is pretty good at handling issues of logic along these lines. EDIT: Draconids do generally gain height from the conversion process, as do any chimeras with the DNA of particularly large animals in them. See the first post and races for information on that. [@Banana] I'll discuss Grover with you in the Skype, Banana.