[quote=@Jotunn Draugr] Really? Looks like almost every poll says that he won. Personally, I thought it was a wash. They both came out looking horrible. He had her in the beginning on trade, and she was stuttering over herself trying to think of a comeback, but then the moderator started outright arguing with Trump closer to the end, and he had to completely go on the defensive. Hillary really just through out accusations faster than Trump could dispute them, but he seemed actually more solid on specific policies. What's your take? [/quote] Well the internet polls are sort of dominated by the young male demographic, a good portion of hilary's supporters are old women who dont use the internet like that, so I'll wait for the official polls before I make a judgement. Just to add I have no bias here, while you and [@j8cob] are actual Trump supporters (nothing wrong with that) I dont actually care who wins, not my country and either way not much is going to happen in 4 years whoever wins. But as far as the debate, Trump was good with some funny one liners and clearly had more passion but in every other aspect he was floundering, he couldnt make the email jab stick, his trade policy seemed to be non-existent beyond "Dont give our jobs to China" with zero followup. His bit on the police was okay, I'd say he and hilary sort of tied there. But over all he was definately losing his cool, I know a lot of people point to the moderator being biased but he only kept interrupting Donald because he couldnt keep his mouth shut while hilary was talking AND kept going over his own time, you get treated based on your behaviour. As far as personals go, Trump had the upper-hand, he is funnier and quicker with his jabs and arguably had more to work with. Hilary's attempt at wit is tepid at best and cringey at worst, she cant hang with Donald when it comes to insults. But the fact of it is, that its a presidential debate and not a comedy roast, and the oppurtunites for attacks were so far and few between it left Donald floundering a lot, because he is just a little to simplistic when it comes to polices, being a 'straight talker' made him look dumb when trying to explain how the economy would work. So I'd give it to Hilary by fair margian, not a total knockout but a solid win. We will see how the next 3 rounds go.