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[@Dynamo Frokane] and science is your only method of measuring levels of 'smartness'? You don't think a creationist can be clever, genius in their own way, for example philosophies, spiritual guidance to troubled people, maths, literature, history, etcetera.

I think you're thinking too much about this on the religious side. Religion has nothing to do with ones capabilities to be smart or not. History has proven that time and time again. You claim that these people go against science but you yourself are going against history, which in my eyes is a far more clear sign of stupidity. 

There are many benefits to religion that have [i]nothing[/i] to do with religion. Social ties. Helping troubled people. Providing guidance for those that need. Providing hope for those that can't find it elsewhere. Creationism doesn't mean you're stupid. It just means you have a different idea on the world.

Your lack of being able to process that, that too signals to me that you're not yet mature enough to even consider entering a discussion with these people. 

It reminds me of what Trump said when he used Mussolini (the father of fascism) his quote 'better to live one day as a lion than a hundred as a sheep' or something among those lines.

'It's a great quote,' and with that I want to say; even dumb people can say genius things, even geniuses make mistakes and/or say stupid things, even evil people have a shred of good, and even good people have evil hidden deep inside of them.

Discrediting people based on their religious views - well, let me say, it already puts you in the same department as you put them in. [i]Listen to what people say[/i] and not to who you think they are.

It might work wonders for you.
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Get off the soapbox and see what I'm actually adressing.

Like I said, this hasnt got anything to do with god and very little to do with religion, most christians arent creationists, there is a difference between having a belief in a higher being and being willfully ignorant to proven facts.

Its not about being mostly smart or mostly stupid, its about how a lack of rational thinking and skepticism makes you unfit to be a president. If a guy was a master chess player but thought that babies were delivered by the stork or that the earth was flat we would rightfully call him an idiot. You dont get a pass on saying ignorant things just because you do well in other areas, it speaks to your level of reason and logic.

So yes I do discredit Ben Carson as a presidential candidate or even as politician, where you need more than brain surgery to be effective at your job. If you want to belive in a god FINE, if you want to believe in a christian god, FINE. But if you are going to try and assert blatant untruths about basic facts about the world and try and influence a nation based off of that, then you are a moron. 

Facts dont care about your holy book.