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[@Jotunn Draugr]

Well you dont know the man personally so lets not start calling him polite, or that he saves kittens in his spare time. There is not enough time to consider every wacky alternative view, would you honestly be taking him just as seriously if he thought that the stork delivered babies or that the earth was flat? These arent even religous veiwpoints by the way.

And you are presenting a false dhicotomy, everyone who isnt a creationist is an 'elitst' unless you are calling everyone with a school level understanding of science an elitist. I'm not saying Ben Carson is an evil man because he has stupid ideas, but a stupid idea is a stupid idea. You roast democrats and liberals on far less for their [b]opinions[/b] on how they think the world should be run, I dont call you an elitist for not considering the perspectives of a socialist or a communist. You've clearly considered the views and you think they are dumb, hence you dont think they should run the country, regardless of their academic acheivements in economics.

And this 'huge portion' thing is a lie, most people ARE NOT creationists. Most Christians believe in evolution and the scientific method, and most people who believe in the scientific method ARE christians. You undermine everyday church going people when you attactch creationism to their wordviews, your majesty.
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1. Yes, they aren't religious viewpoints, so they're irrelevant to the discussion. We're discussing whether a man's credibility (and intelligence, apparently) is lost because he is devout in his religious faith.

2. I'm not calling everyone who isn't a creationist an elitist. I'm specifically calling you an elitist, because that's exactly what you are if you completely dismiss a massive segment of the population completely, based on a single religious tradition they abide by. Not only are you discounting this huge portion of humanity, but you're not even doing it on grounds that they're academically unqualified, or in any other way discredited. You're taking a belief they hold, which isn't necessarily relevant to the vast majority of their role in society, and making it the overwhelming determining factor for their value as a human/citizen/intellectual/civil servant. I have no problem with atheists, because unlike you, I don't judge entire swaths of humanity (in all aspects of their lives) by a single belief they hold. I'm saying that you, as an individual, are putting yourself up as an opponent to Ben Carson's legitimacy, as an individual, and are coming across as an elitist.
	Also, I do consider the opinions of socialists, liberals, democrats and communists, and I judge their platforms as they stand, not on the personal traditions and conventions of the person espousing them. This is what I'd consider "peanut gallery" behaviour.

3. Most Muslims are creationists. Most Hindus (including the various sects, like Hare Krishna) are creationists. A lot of Buddhists are creationists. Devoutly religious Jews (especially those in non western countries) are creationists... Or were you discounting the entire world outside of your own back yard? 
	And I never once said the majority of Christians were creationists. They are a sizable chunk of the West, and an even larger chunk of the global population. I never once attributed qualities to all of Christianity. It's only you here, who continues to lump entire sections of humanity in groups that you then write off as being homogeneous.

How about treating people as individuals, rather than dehumanized collectives, your majesty?