[quote=@Dynamo Frokane] Fact checking....you spoke to every single person in the world who indentifies as a creationist and asked them if they adhered to organised religion or was this more of a first page google search? It gets a little semantical at this point, creationism is commonly seen as the religious branch of creation science which is encompassed by intelligent design which is not nessecarily religious by defination. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_science]Ben Carson Brand[/url] which overlaps into [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design]This sometimes, its case by case.[/url] I dont nessecarily disagree that it isnt a creationist's fault they were reaised creationist, I'm not saying they should be put in jail, but to believe psuedo science in the face of real science and claim that every real scientist is dumber than Ben Carson or lying is a poor representation of rational/logical thinking and makes him very unfit to run the country. The world is tough, its not the people's fault that your parents never told you santa claus was your uncle in a red suit, and if you are still claiming that its true after being proven its false then you are aggresively ignorant and acting like an [b]idiot[/b]. To summarise, ben carson can believe whatever the hell he wants, but you cant run a country on stupid ideas like pseudoscience. [/quote] Abraham Lincoln was a creationist despite the fact that the Theory of Evolution was a thing two years before he became President. The facts and evidence were out there and he still believed in the Bible's story. Would you say he was an inept President because of his disbelief of modern (at the time) science? Or would you say that, in spite of this, he was able to lead the US effectively and bring it through the darkest hour of its history? Lincoln isn't the only President to have believed in creation after the Theory of Evolution was realized. Grover Cleveland, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, to name a few. I think that it had very little impact on how "good" of a President it made people. The denial of creationism among our Presidents didn't become common practice until over a hundred years after the Theory of Evolution. It isn't far-fetched to presume that one's beliefs on the topic of evolution have little or even no effect on their ability to lead. Some of the best leaders throughout world history were absolutely terrible in their understanding of the sciences of their times. There are far more important and relevant qualities to determine a good leader.