Alright folks, let's just remember that when having a debate you criticise the idea and not the person. If you criticise it the person then it just turns into an argument and we're not savages like that. 

Now at the minute I don't have time to crawl through each post so this is a general reminder. 

I'll review what's been said individually a touch later and then deal with individuals at that time.

This thread has had a tenuous grip to life over its time, don't be the idiot that makes it get closed.