[quote=@tsukune] [list][*][b]Madoka Magica.[/b] You call getting her head bitten off 'dark and gritty'? How about me not seeing the logic of how a 12-year-old brat girl whining for 11 episodes straight then suddenly she gained some super-wisdom out of nowhere and becomes a goddess of the universe? Don't get me wrong - it is a decent anime on its own, but the fandom is a different story. Watching it objectively on my own it's cool, but when you get the fans who're trying to brainwash you into worshiping the anime, now that's not cool.[/list][/quote] It doesn’t come out of nowhere— the framing of said wisdom does not come out of nowhere and there is development leading up to it for several episodes (a fact of which cumulates in the third film). Honestly here wisdom isn’t that inherently complex if you look at to what the wish entails by her words and what she’s experienced since the first death that has been echoing and chasing her for the entire series up to that point. Madoka as a work of art has a reputation for a very good and important reason but instead of getting into that and having a dialogue about it I want to move on to Madoka’s fanbase. I’ve met Madoka Magica fanatics, and I would agree that on the radical end of it they are probably one of the most obnoxious people that exist— but that goes for all fanatics, it’s kind of in the definition of the terminology. [b]fanatic[/b] [sub][b] : marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion. : a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal. : a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits : someone who has very strong beliefs that often make them behave in an unreasonable way[/b][/sub] Fanatics by the truest form of the word do not live in reality— they are not humble, rational, or perceptive. They are significant elitists that put their idol on public view for agreeance. That’s why I currently do not consider myself words that describe the same thing like “otaku”, because it is the language of arrogance. You can be passionate about something and enjoy the artistic expression but you should still be largely understanding of opposing views and be able to look at what you like with as much criticism as the person who is not a “believer”. Thus universally fandom as a concept is a insane, delusional, and irrational belief that exists only to worship instead to have discussion.