[quote=@thewizardguy] [@Lmpkio][@VitaVitaAR][@Raineh Daze] Okay, so, take into account that Vader is ludicrously powerful. The dude picked up a Star Destroyer with the Force. That's at least 1000 tons of telekinesis right there. He also crushed an AT-AT once. As such, given a moment to focus, there is very little that he cannot straight-up kill. Honestly, the only real hope anyone except maybe Magnus has of beating this guy is keeping him off-balance. If Set manages to land a blow to the more important parts of his suit Vader might be forced to retreat. But if he gets even a moment of not constantly defending against everything, he could apply his full power, which would practically instantly annihilate any of the combatants. So yeah, even 3v1 with surprise and prep, best hope we have is making him withdraw. Actually defeating Vader would require far greater numbers, or far more powerful characters. [/quote] If we went with all the EU stuff, though, we have the minor issue of "welp, the movies don't make any sense" and "shouldn't we have lost already?" Though I think you're underestimating some of the characters... XD That reminds me, Chris and Hibiki really need to find something to do. Hm.