[quote=@Ryougu] [@GoldEagle1221] Mhmm, I had already concluded that I'd need to tear down the wall. I'm adamant about my border patrol though, since it's nice that he wants to plunder, but obviously I don't want him to plunder me >.< Natural cause and effect would have me do something about it. [/quote] You do realize that the Ogryns will be raiding more than just you right? And that again, your border patrol will not be able to catch everyone going past unless you basically put your entire army in the north which even then would still not guarantee 100% success consistently. Plus if you did manage to you it, you would literally be screwing me over completely OOC since then I would be more or less completely unable to interact with anyone else but you meaning you get my full love and attention. And Ogryn hugs. If we're going by "natural cause and effect", stiffer resistance only means the Ogryns will just get larger warbands together in an attempt to break through your defenses. And if they do, that means a hell of a lot more trouble not only for you, but for everyone else they raid. And something else I should say, why are you so worried? Do you really think I'd just march a million Ogryn to your capital and just stomp on it like "lol git rekt scrub"? Do you really think I'd just go after you only and make it a life goal to see your entire land on fire? Why are you so afraid of "loosing"? You know that you can't actually loose completely unless you give your consent to do so. At any rate, expect a very one sided defense. Ogryns wouldn't exactly care since after all, open boarders actually works better for them. That and the fact they haven't quite wrapped their heads around the concept. You're more than welcomed to invade the lowlands and even the mountains (although I heavily do not recommend going into the mountains since attrition will absolutely fuck just about anyone who isn't an ogryn over).