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@Oak7ree I would not put it past her.
@AdobeFlash there's a running gag in my FATE campaign because Kat rolled low and smashed a fence with our tank while drifting at speed on ice. Her drive is her highest stat, with stunts to support it -- and she is never livinthat fence down. <3
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@Oak7ree I would not put it past her.
@AdobeFlash there's a running gag in my FATE campaign because Kat rolled low and smashed a fence with our tank while drifting at speed on ice. Her drive is her highest stat, with stunts to support it -- and she is never livinthat fence down. <3


Oh god don't remind me of 'never living it down' rolls. One time in a GURPS campaign my character, a loremaster who's entire job was to translate documents we found. Tranlsate a document flawlessly, roll a natural 20 for one part, then we get to the next document (the entire thing is one long running piece.) Flub it, and because nobody wants to risk it, we don't use what turns out to be one of the most powerful spells in the game, and the part I flubbed was non-essential.
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Use a Tiger to drift through the streets of Orleans. Problem solved.


Tiger didn't enter production before 1942. Problem still lingers.
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@Lady Selune ahaha, well. To be fair, it was not that bad a roll. It's just the nature of the party, and the whole...she smashed a fence. Could have been muchmuch worse. It's more playful teasing. <3
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@Oak7ree By the way, I just noticed Jean had a relationship with a secular Jew. I'm not sure secular Judaism existed in the time of ww2, certainly not as we know it today. Jewish communities, if not something resembling modern Orthodox, were usually something close to what's now considered Conservative. Unless they had completely stopped practicing because of persecution at some point in the past and perhaps no longer really identified as Jewish, I think it's rather unlikely that she would have been a secular Jew. Secular Judaism tends to differ greatly from, say, secular Christianity, and really only gained ground in the past half century or so. *pounces on topic she likes*
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I hope it's ok that I've posted again so soon. It's been a pretty busy day and tomorrow will probably be the same so I thought I'd stay on top of things.
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I hope it's ok that I've posted again so soon. It's been a pretty busy day and tomorrow will probably be the same so I thought I'd stay on top of things.


No problemo. An idea I've had involves your character by the way, but that'll be revealed in my next post, which should happen sometime tomorrow.
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@Oak7ree By the way, I just noticed Jean had a relationship with a secular Jew. I'm not sure secular Judaism existed in the time of ww2, certainly not as we know it today. Jewish communities, if not something resembling modern Orthodox, were usually something close to what's now considered Conservative. Unless they had completely stopped practicing because of persecution at some point in the past and perhaps no longer really identified as Jewish, I think it's rather unlikely that she would have been a secular Jew. Secular Judaism tends to differ greatly from, say, secular Christianity, and really only gained ground in the past half century or so. *pounces on topic she likes*


I thought Emma and her family just quite ordinary family, not very religious family. It just came to my mind. "Oh, what if Jean dated a Jew?" and just rolled with it. Religions are rarely monolithic. Her being a Jew might play a role in Jean's life during the war, sooner or later.
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@Lady Selune Ooh, how exciting. I anxiously await your post
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@Oak7ree Actually, due to the frequent persecution of Judaism and the fact that we have always been a minority religion, Judaism tended to be fairly cohesive, varying primarily by region. I did a bit of research to check, and I'm fairly certain your French Jew would probably be Reform, not secular. Many non-observant Jews consider themselves to be members of the Reform community, and if you simply mean nonobservant I'd go with Reform. The split into the spectrums of observance happened earlier than I thought, around the time period of the Enlightenment, so late 1700s/early 1800s. However, most of the smaller branches -- including what is called secular Judaism -- split off several decades into the 20th century. Secular Judaism, from what I'm seeing, didn't really emerge until after the founding of Israel, at least in Europe.

The main reason for this is that until the Enlightenment, even when not persecuted Jews were generally not seen as citizens, and not granted the rights given their non-Jewish neighbors. This lead to close-knit communities, and a tendency to stick together. As they were accepted into wider society, the potential for less observant sects developed, and Reform Judaism was one of the major ones and certainly among the earliest, with a founding date in 1810. But as a whole, Jews tended to identify as Reform, and not merely culturally Jewish or secular Jews, as far as I know.

Huh. And it seems that a /very/ large percentage of Jews, at least today, see themselves as at least partially secular. This is a really interesting article discussing the idea of being both secular and Jewish -- something that I've never much thought /why/ about, but certainly accept as something that exists. ANYHOW. Just Shy being Shy here, she can totally be secular if that's really what you want, and I'm sure there's a way to swing it.

As for her Judaism being an issue, I'm certain it was. eSpecially as France has been occupied, and I believe Vichy France is around, Jews were required to wear stars either by now or in the near future, and many were sent to camps.
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@shylarah

We were supposed to be punching Nazis, not working out the georeligous climate of Vichy France in the early 1940's. How did this even happen?!
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AND I NEED TO FINISH MY SHEEEETS. I have the history done, So @Lady Selune, you should let me know if this flies~

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@shylarah

Great, just give the poor GM a fuckin' novel... *grumbles.*

Good shit though.
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@Lady Selune Haha, well this /is/ advanced. I figured you know what to expect. And I actually don't write that much, compared to many, but for history -- and especially a controversial one -- I wanted to make sure I covered all the details. ^.^;;

Vichy France has Nazis, and supports Nazis. Thus, punching the government officials of Vichy France is totally punching Nazis, or at least Nazi puppets. <3
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I asked a friend about equipment for paratroopers, even though we're not actually paratroopers, and he linked this. Apparently jeeps were often flown in on gliders (for the Allies), and supplies could be dropped along with the soldiers. Cool, huh?
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I asked a friend about equipment for paratroopers, even though we're not actually paratroopers, and he linked this. Apparently jeeps were often flown in on gliders (for the Allies), and supplies could be dropped along with the soldiers. Cool, huh?


The Germans, for example, devised a way to deny a glider a chance to land safely. They would dig and plant poles into the ground, and as a glider tried to land, it would crash these obstacles. Commonly nicknamed as Rommel's asparagus.
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@Lady Selune ...How is your char using a gun that wasn't invented yet? O.o

@Oak7ree *snickers at asparagus* And I don't think they'd've...um...planted? every possible landing zone. But you do have a point, and antiaircraft fire is also an issue. But the idea of the jeep is to be dropped /near/ and then come in on the ground.
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@Lady Selune ...How is your char using a gun that wasn't invented yet? O.o

@Oak7ree *snickers at asparagus* And I don't think they'd've...um...planted? every possible landing zone. But you do have a point, and antiaircraft fire is also an issue. But the idea of the jeep is to be dropped /near/ and then come in on the ground.


No, but the obvious ones, like big fields, could be a priority. But don't worry, Rommel started planting "asparagus" in 1944 prior to the Normandy Landings. And planting came to my mind first.
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@Oak7reeYou better reply soon or I'll actually start to murder people :^)
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@Lady Selune ...How is your char using a gun that wasn't invented yet?


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