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Yeah, I'm gonna have to recuse myself from this game. I was worried I'd made the Free Cities too vile to be believable, but we've got a corporation(s) essentially dealing in genetically engineered slaves, when I was gonna have that be the most heinous thing the Free Cities did. Which would provide the popular support for the new commie govenrment.

If it's been happening openly throughout civilization

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wow.

Second.

Yeah this is way too dark for me. The only reason I'd write a civilization like that is to watch it's overthrow. And there's a chance that's just not gonna happen here.

And I don't feel like risking a depressing Bad End. I'll just retreat back to my 1x1's.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to recuse myself from this game. I was worried I'd made the Free Cities too vile to be believable, but we've got a corporation(s) essentially dealing in genetically engineered slaves, when I was gonna have that be the most heinous thing the Free Cities did. Which would provide the popular support for the new commie govenrment.

If it's been happening openly

first

wow.

Second.

Yeah this is way too dark for me. The only reason I'd write a civilization like that is to watch it's overthrow. And there's a chance that's just not gonna happen here.

And I don't feel like risking a depressing Bad End. I'll just retreat back to my 1x1's.


There's still a (pretty big) chance of glorious revolution/systemwide WWII, but I understand. This happens a lot, doesn't it?

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If they are, Northstar will probably be exporting them given they have a few roots in the Japanese idol/anime industry in their corporate merger heritage. I figure that information and culture are major commodities in a near post-scarcity society. Ergo, anime! And lots of VR dynamic world simulators with built-in time dilation for those with sufficient computing power (for some reason the "be the dictator of your own world" sims seem to be trending a lot)


You better believe there are nekos. I might even make the lady I mentioned one, though all things considered she might not be OPENLY one.

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Well, not mutually exclusive. Corporate models vs. whatever homegrown plot you got. Its a big solar system.

@KeyguypersonFor a corporation occupying the asteroid belt, would 10% "hard sovereignty" of the Belt (own the space habitats, people, resources) and "soft influence" (commercialism, trade, heavily influencing associate or dependent colonies to the point of near-proxies) over 20% of the rest be plausible or too big? The numbers in this game are huge and I'd like to get an idea of a reasonable scale before getting too deep into the nitty-gritty of my nation. Rare to have a game think on this scale, I'm not used to it and I really want to avoid powerwanking.


That would probably be okay. The numbers are huge mainly because, given the technology I've created for the setting, it would be unrealistic to have less than a hundred trillion humans. Which, of course, is a huge amount. The solar system isn't overcrowded though, to give you an idea of how much room is still out there the estimate for how many people the solar system can support is 10 quadrillion. IN this RP, we haven't even reached one quadrillion. The population is somewhere around 200 trillion total. In space things are a lot less crowded than on planets, since there is a whole lot of damn room in space. On Earth, for example, the population is well past the carrying capacity but still nothing compared to people in space.

The reason things are so insane is biological immortality for the majority of people. Honestly, the only thing preventing an overpopulation crisis in a couple centuries here is the fact that VR porn and robotic/biological sex slaves exist. Humanity went too far a long time ago, but then kept going to see what would happen. Communication technology and administrative AIs, coupled with the fact that a large portion of people simply live workless lives of leisure, let these giant numbers be led effectively.

Remember that the vast majority of your population is actually just a resource drain. The middle class does literally nothing of worth beyond produce art and entertainment, which isn't useful in, say, a war. Only the underclass produces anything of practical value, and the upper class just administrates it all. Much like how in Victoria II your population is measured in adult males (the people who are doing most of the working and fighting in your society), in this the CEOs and Presidents of the solar system might as well measure their population in how many members of the underclass they have. This is important to remember when considering whether or not you're powerwanking.
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There's still a (pretty big) chance of glorious revolution/systemwide WWII, but I understand. This happens a lot, doesn't it?

I consider slavery pretty much worse then murder, rape, etc, all of that combined. Worse then genocide.

So yes.

It does.

It's not the sort of thing I can stand to see *win* and in my 1x1's, there's no chance of that. Just a story about revolution and justice. Here? There's no such safety net. And I don't really think it's worth investing the energy if the bastards might win anyways. Because people tend to gravitate towards horrible factions for some reason, and I just know we'll end up outnumbered.

Because I've seen it go that way a dozen times before. I just....don't have the energy anymore mate. If you wanna do 1x1 in a setting like this with me, hell, I'll be insanely open to it.

But I don't think I can play in this particular RP. Evil wins enough in RL, and I don't like to see it win in fiction.
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I consider slavery pretty much worse then murder, rape, etc, all of that combined. Worse then genocide.

So yes.

It does.

It's not the sort of thing I can stand to see *win* and in my 1x1's, there's no chance of that. Just a story about revolution and justice. Here? There's no such safety net. And I don't really think it's worth investing the energy if the bastards might win anyways. Because people tend to gravitate towards horrible factions for some reason, and I just know we'll end up outnumbered.

Because I've seen it go that way a dozen times before. I just....don't have the energy anymore mate. If you wanna do 1x1 in a setting like this with me, hell, I'll be insanely open to it.

But I don't think I can play in this particular RP. Evil wins enough in RL, and I don't like to see it win in fiction.


True, I understand perfectly. In this RP I'd say that things are laid out fairly well to have the eventual triumph of good be a very real possibility. But it'll be a really, really shitty world until then. If we ever make it to the point at which it's no longer grimdark cyberpunk "we basically live in hell", I could send you a message if you'd be willing to join. The way plot development will go in this provided it runs without falling flat on its face like most recent NRPs, I'm sure it would be easy to squeeze whatever you want into the setting at that point.
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True, I understand perfectly. In this RP I'd say that things are laid out fairly well to have the eventual triumph of good be a very real possibility. But it'll be a really, really shitty world until then. If we ever make it to the point at which it's no longer grimdark cyberpunk "we basically live in hell", I could send you a message if you'd be willing to join. The way plot development will go in this provided it runs without falling flat on its face like most recent NRPs, I'm sure it would be easy to squeeze whatever you want into the setting at that point.

Thanks man. I apperciate it.

Sorry for suddenly bailing on you like this, I was getting pretty excited for the RP myself. But...intellectually, I don't think I could keep my peace OOC, over some of what's gonna be happening. So this is probably for the best, for the time being.

And thank you again for your understanding, it means alot. :)
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I'd be interested in joining this. Nothing concrete yet, but I have an idea for an authoritarian Venusian state.
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Is a Black Market Civ possible with a base in Antarctica?
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Is a Black Market Civ possible with a base in Antarctica?


Sure, there aren't really limits on what form your faction can take as long as it isn't insanely powerful.
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So.

Hey.

Keyguy and I talked. I got some bad news. Like. Seriously bad news. And I've decided...fuck it, not gonna let stuff happening in an RPG be the thing that breaks me.

I'm uh, unrecusing myself. I can do that. It's legal. I checked.

the nice men with guns who I brought with me say it's legal. So it's legal.

Sorry about the drama there.
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So.

Hey.

Keyguy and I talked. I got some bad news. Like. Seriously bad news. And I've decided...fuck it, not gonna let stuff happening in an RPG be the thing that breaks me.

I'm uh, unrecusing myself. I can do that. It's legal. I checked.

the nice men with guns who I brought with me say it's legal. So it's legal.

Sorry about the drama there.


No prob, everyone has their limits and tolerance for grimdark. I've had those episodes myself where I couldn't do anything dark and NEEDED to do lighthearted and fluffy for a long while.

If it would make you feel any better, I could rollback Northstar kemonomimi (catgirls, bunnygirls, dogboys, etc) as primarily dressed up AI robot companions than gene-hacked slaves. Buying and selling robots instead of life.
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No prob, everyone has their limits and tolerance for grimdark. I've had those episodes myself where I couldn't do anything dark and NEEDED to do lighthearted and fluffy for a long while.

If it would make you feel any better, I could rollback Northstar kemonomimi (catgirls, bunnygirls, dogboys, etc) as primarily dressed up AI robot companions than gene-hacked slaves. Buying and selling robots instead of life.


While I do apperciate the thought, I've already devised my own way to make myself feel better.



Communist indochinese-philippine-caribbean abolitionist cyborg ninjas.

I'll be keeping my subplots about slave liberation, neko rights, etc, regardless. Do what you want, if it gets too uncomfortable I'll just come into the OOC and sing La Marseillaise in a very pointed way. :p
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Well hurray for equality! Robots and GMOs are people too!
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Not sure if I'll be keeping my notCult Mechanicus actually. I'm also now thinking of either a faction that has no military but an insane net of spies, agents and informants which they use instead which benefits greatly from an extremely diverse population. Or a planet/colony that some storm/event genocide'd the entire human population of a place leaving only the robots.
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Quick little question I'd like to ask everyone: What do you think of having a sort of UN-style assembly? Something that would start off much like the real-world UN, with little power beyond saying "no that's bad" or sanctioning countries that everyone wants sanctioned anyways, but could evolve or devolve depending on the actions of players.
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I wouldn't be opposed to it; could be an interesting little addition.
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Well hurray for equality! Robots and GMOs are people too!

Welcome to the Abolitionist Club.

Here's your board sword (for hacking slavers to death) and your copy of Beecher's Bible.
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Welcome to the Abolitionist Club.

Here's your board sword (for hacking slavers to death) and your copy of Beecher's Bible.


Oh yeah, my nation would definitely be the kind to clandestinely support 'freedom fighters'.

I'd say "Liberté, égalité, fraternité!" except the jury's out on how much the first applies to my nation. It's rather authoritarian and collectivist.
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Oh yeah, my nation would definitely be the kind to clandestinely support 'freedom fighters'.

I'd say "Liberté, égalité, fraternité!" except the jury's out on how much the first applies to my nation. It's rather authoritarian and collectivist.


Well, my nation (consisting, at the moment, if approved, of Indochina, the Philippines and the remnants of the Caribbean, plus some solar holdings) will, at gamestart, be undergoing a coup by a radical clique of military officers, with plans to found a one party marxist-leninist state (or something along those lines).

Collectivist buddies!

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Well, my nation (consisting, at the moment, if approved, of Indochina, the Philippines and the remnants of the Caribbean, plus some solar holdings) will, at gamestart, be undergoing a coup by a radical clique of military officers, with plans to found a one party marxist-leninist state (or something along those lines).

Collectivist buddies!


Neat, mine's gonna be a confederation of aerostat cities in the Venusian atmosphere. It's actually a democracy, but it's very definitely big government. After all, you need to make sure things run smooth and orderly when you're floating through the Venusian atmosphere; at times you're feet away from a toxic atmosphere and heat that'd cook you alive (plus you're, you know, floating in the air).
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Neat, mine's gonna be a confederation of aerostat cities in the Venusian atmosphere. It's actually a democracy, but it's very definitely big government. After all, you need to make sure things run smooth and orderly when you're floating through the Venusian atmosphere; at times you're feet away from a toxic atmosphere and heat that'd cook you alive (plus you're, you know, floating in the air).


My government, before the coup, was one of the many faux-social democracies that are extant.

The clique is inspired by John Brown and his sons to a degree-throwbacks to the old communist governments of Vietnam and Cuba, passing the torch down from generation to generation. Brown and his sons swore an oath to oppose slavery-and it got them Harper's Ferry and the USA a civil war.

Here, an oath kept between families for generations, got the nation a military coup. They've been waiting for this for awhile. The crash gave them the push they needed.
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