[quote=@Burning Kitty] I don't think will work harder, I think they will either turn to crime and end up killed by the people they attempted to victimize or cops, they will starve to death, or they will just find another way to become a leech (churches and other do gooders).[/quote] Unlikely. Criminal justice systems do not kill criminals in any countries other than third world countries. [quote=@catchamber]What gave you the idea that I think people are good? This isn't about morality, but practicality.[/quote] Your 'practicality' did not agree with what I consider practical so you instantly told me I was the reason the world is shit? Yeah, nah. It's definitely about morality at least in part. [quote=@catchamber]Mentalities like yours are partly why we have so many problems in the world today. You don't care about the future, or the long term consequences of your behavior. "A peaceful and prosperous world" is generally considered desirable by most people. [/quote] Well, like I said, my ideas on what is preferable are different from yours. Don't get me wrong, a peaceful and prosperous world is definitely my goal and I do care about the future or long term consequences of my behaviour, I just think your ideas of how we can get there/improve are stupidly naïve. You disagree on that obviously, or else you wouldn't have these ideas. I'm more concerned about geo-political situations, and in that aspect I definitely do consider long term effects and the future. You obviously did not consider that, or else you wouldn't expect governments to start multi-billion euro/dollar/yen/w.e projects for something that doesn't even impact their populace. But I'll take 'Buddha you are cancer of the world' and retort by saying that naïve people by you are generally the first ones to bite the dust when shit does go wrong. If you want to come with non-arguments, I'll do the same.