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I guess you could fix most of those problems by bringing a lot of money and buying a set of armor with good health stats, this being the medieval ages and all.
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You're forgetting the part about venereal and non-venereal syphilis. If population density grows, due to urbanization, you're going to get plagues. Domesticating animals will only add to this, because people tend to live near the people that live near their animals.


Thing is: population growth is slow enough and the transition from nomadic hunter-gatherers to full village economy and on into urban economy would be so slow you would be dead anyways. Even introducing such reforms as these means that by the time the fruits are being reaped and infectious disease can take hold in any community you yourself would most likely have passed away.

If you're in Europe, good luck knowing how to talk to people without sounding like some weird fuck. While the video only focuses on English, it isn't hard to imagine other languages being similarly changed. If you're near Christians, become a priest, and say God told you about these things. If you're near Muslims, become an imam, and say Allah told you about these things.


You realize we're discussing this on the assumption we would go in prepared, right? It's simply a matter of learning the language before diving in.

And per the priest and imam bit: heresies exist for the later and depending on when you show up the Mu'tazilites may have been so ostracized you'd be out of luck.

Good luck convincing them to follow your advice, if you look like the disease carrying colonists.


I don't think you're on the same wave-length as KGP and I where we'd be showing up before the colonists. They wouldn't quiet know what we are and the bias against the white wouldn't have set in. The hardest part would be undergoing their hazing rituals to enter the tribe when and if they realize you speak their lingo or close enough at least.

If they don't appear at a moment when they're at war with someone and the sachems are thus in control; you won't be gutted and tied to a tree with your own intestines. Then it's a matter of garnering social favor by providing for people and sprinkling in your strange wisdom to build up to the big stuff.

Maize? Yum yum, I love me some iron deficiency.

>Implying only subject in their diet

And since I doubt any of us are immune to smallpox, anyone that goes back to the Medieval Ages is basically fucked.


I'm not going to deny this.

Given that was published in 1972, you sure that book doesn't rely on organisms foreign to the Americas? It's not that big a deal, but it'd suck to get your New and Old World creatures mixed up.


This is a discredit to Appalachian culture. While there are elements that utilize European introduced things there are still natural subjects unintroduced by Europeans the books look over. Appalachian culture is after all an amalgam of Scottish, German, and Cherokee folkways fitted to suit mountain living. The books discuss everything from how to prepare food to hunting to foraging to even constructing permanent housing and crafting your own furniture.

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A lot can change in a few decades. 35 years of 2% annual growth doubles your population. Other groups may join yours, or mimic your ideas, too. Also, every immigrant and citizen raised by ignorant parents can be a vector for syphilis and tuberculosis.


This implies neighboring tribes outside the ethnic group would be responsive. While the aforementioned Mississippi Culture had developed sedentary agriculture it was only after thousands of years of slow march and adaptation of technology otherwise developed by the Aztecs to make the march northwards.

Guns, Germs, and Steel goes into a great level of detail on this and even goes into the numbers for the progress of things such as corn, beans, and beats to progress northward from central Mexico. It took more than a few thousand years to do so, and Jared Diamond's calculations per the spread of technology on a north-south axis is some three times longer.

That put down, this assumes automatically that the moment the Cherokee pick up on and utilize KGP's technological gifts that Creek, Chickasaw, and Pawnee would quickly follow suit. Just because your neighbors have superior technology doesn't make those individuals with lesser technology follow suit quickly. This isn't including the fantastic level of socio-economic changes that the Cherokee would undergo or if the tribe he sets up with would be able to impress upon it on their neighbors; if anything they might only begin to adapt over a generation or more of trading and by the time the full fruits of his efforts come about he would have passed away irregardless of dick-rot.

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You were? Vilageidiotx's first post is blank, and I explicitly said "I'd love to see you explain how to produce all of that in a language you don't know, and get it running within your now shortened lifespan, all without googling anything." If we're prepared, we're basically aware of all recorded facts about the era, minus butterfly effects caused by our arrival. That seems cheap.

Yeah, religious conflicts are always a bummer. On the bright side, you can keep your head down and take advantage of the cushy positions clergy generally get, such as isolation from infected populations, and access to historical records. If push comes to shove, just contact local royalty, and explain how you can ensure they and their people remain competitive and prosperous with technology.


Remember: we're talking about KGP's proposal here ultimately and not the lack of proposal in the OP. By his accounts he is preparing to go back in time and willing to ignore butterfly effect and all associations. By him, he's preparing and getting educated. He's actually probably going to read a book if he's going to walk down the street to his nearby Cherokee community to being learning the language and life ways of the tribe before he heads back in time.

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If we define the Medieval Ages as 500 to 1500 AD, and Columbus reached the Americas in late 1492, you have a >0% chance of ending up in a year where there are colonists or explorers. Even if you don't, and we assume the butterfly effect doesn't alter European history, you just need to be a few decades away from 1500 to encounter Europeans.


To argue technicalities the middle ages are generally accepted at having been the fall of Constantinople in 1453 or the end of the Hundred Years War in 1453 at which time modern nationalism in Western Europe develops and we see the steady decline of the feudal order. If Columbus still leaves in 1492 this provides a certain period in which he will never arrive and packs a minimum of two generations between our arrival and his arrival. This scenario admittedly doesn't leave us much time to do anything per my first response, but it would be enough to do something minimal in the hopes of preparing, like introducing the Cherokee Alphabet centuries before the Cherokee Alphabet was actually introduced so the tribe can pass around ideas and integrate things into the long-term memory.

Prior to that we'd have time, but even assuming Columbus it's not like his landfall in the Caribbean spells doom for anything north of the Gulf, since it's not for another twenty-thirty years the Spaniards conquer the Aztecs and begin the great fucking up of shit. Even coming in on the beginning of European presence means the best thing you could do is prepare and inoculate the tribe against the dangers posed by European-borne diseases which would vastly empower the tribes; regular European realpolitik will do the rest.

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Without using a search engine, can you list 10 sources of dietary iron that are native to the New World? While that seems excessive, let's keep in mind that mismanagement and pathogens can destroy food sources.


Beans, deer, pheasant, turkey, shell fish, insects, possum, turtle, bison, wild rice.

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I get that it talks about New World organisms. But, if we're being super serious about waking up in Medieval America, one would likely want to know what is and isn't native to the region.


The only thing we mostly changed before the 20th century is killing a lot of shit.

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Use what I can with my pre dent knowledge and become the village dentist.
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Use what I can with my pre dent knowledge and become the village dentist.


don't tell @catchamber that, he'll explain in ten thousand words how dentistry in the medieval period would give you incurable hemorrhoids.
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don't tell @catchamber that, he'll explain in ten thousand words how dentistry in the medieval period would give you incurable hemorrhoids.


I wonder what he must be like camping. Would he hyperventilate the moment he finds out it'll be difficult to wash his hands and all he has to eat that's 'safe' is light-weight granola bars?
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I wonder what he must be like camping. Would he hyperventilate the moment he finds out it'll be difficult to wash his hands and all he has to eat that's 'safe' is light-weight granola bars?


ive never seen ur snark before

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