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Is this because BioWare hires purple-haired hippopotamuses who screech about not enough women in gaming instead of actually going to a tech school and becoming a skilled female developer? I personally think so. CD Projekt more or less tell women and brown people to go fuck themselves if they don't have the talent to make a good game


Spot the white nationalist.
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@Ace of Hearts You're thinking of White Supremacy, sweetheart, not Nationalism. Not that it matters when your "argument" (lol) is fallacious and irrelevant either way.
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@Ace of Hearts You're thinking of White Supremacy, sweetheart, not Nationalism. Not that it matters when your "argument" (lol) is fallacious and irrelevant either way.


man, you're so smart. thanks for correcting me on your brand of fascism.

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@Ace of Hearts Semantics are important when people try to twist them around to conform to your personal definitions. For example, when "meritocracy" and "White Nationalism" somehow become synonymous. (An interesting accusation since you're the one implying that, yes, CD Projekt is more talented than BioWare because it's Whiter and more male.)
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What a white supremacist way to think, not to mention misogynistic.

you okay, dude? do you have unresolved oedipal complexes you haven't resolved? you didn't kill her, did you? you don't wear her skin, do you?

edit: I'll leave the redundancy because I know for a fucking fact you'll point it out, you nerd.
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CD Projekt more or less tell women and brown people to go fuck themselves if they don't have the talent to make a good game
Spot the white nationalist.


Actually, you should explain why, apparently, you have to hire women and minorities, even if they lack the necessary skills to function in the company, in order to avoid being a "White Nationalist." (Did screaming "racist!" at people stop working, so we need to think of another default now?)

I gave the textbook definition of meritocracy when I said, "it's [CD Projekt's hiring process] employing the most talented people at hand to make the best product possible." You're the one who equated that to White Nationalism, which I find hilarious because that means you're the one who equates more Whites and more males on a development team with having more merit, independently of a person's ability to code.

Not that this is surprising at all, but you've revealed your personal biases in this thread, a real streak of racism, in your desperate gambit to find an injustice to crusade against, whether real or imagined. You must have realized this too since you're making no attempt at all to actually argue, instead flinging your own feces at me like a rabies-infected capuchin, but that's par for the course with the crazies on either side of the political spectrum. Horseshoe theory is real.
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But it's not "pandering" if a character just happens to be Black or gay, and if he has more traits to define his personality than just being from a certain demographic. So even though ME1 still has bad writing and is a game for poopooheads overall, no one is being hypocritical for "forgetting" the Black and butch-lesbo characters in the first game, while lambasting Andromeda for seemingly doing the same thing. The fact that you can't see the difference, @Dynamo Frokane, proves that you're approaching this debate at a laughably superficial level.


Having played a bit of Andromeda, the only real pandering is their laughably atrocious trans 'character'. Their token lesbian and gay crew members are less "HEY I LIKE THE MEN" than their attempt in ME3 but at this point they don't deserve medals for crossing the finish line well after the fact. But then, when a certain subset of people are desperate for any sort of representation they flock to it, like they did with Dragon Age Inquisition's trans character and one note flamboyantly gay character. Are there better options out there for people that care about representation? Yes. But not so much so in the AAA scene. BioWare has carved out a niche for themselves only now their diversity and representation is finally being shown for how shallow it actually has been.

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Actually, you should explain why, apparently, you have to hire women and minorities, even if they lack the necessary skills to function in the company, in order to avoid being a "White Nationalist." (Did screaming "racist!" at people stop working, so we need to think of another default now?)

I gave the textbook definition of meritocracy when I said, "it's [CD Projekt's hiring process] employing the most talented people at hand to make the best product possible." You're the one who equated that to White Nationalism, which I find hilarious because that means you're the one who equates more Whites and more males on a development team with having more merit, independently of a person's ability to code.

Not that this is surprising at all, but you've revealed your personal biases in this thread, a real streak of racism, in your desperate gambit to find an injustice to crusade against, whether real or imagined. You must have realized this too since you're making no attempt at all to actually argue, instead flinging your own feces at me like a rabies-infected capuchin, but that's par for the course with the crazies on either side of the political spectrum. Horseshoe theory is real.


listen guy i don't know what to tell you this isn't reddit you're not gonna get any upvotes. your smugness in defending your pissy attitude towards brown people already sealed my "white nationalist" comment, which you deftly corrected to white supremacist.

i mean who cares what you think really, because you're a racist.

so again, fellate me.
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@Fabricant451 You'd think people would feel that it cheapens that aspect of their identity, though, right? It basically treats them like novelties; they're being collected like Pokemon. "Here's Iron Bull. He's 'the gay one.'" Check homosexuality off the list and move on to the next niche of identity politics.

I know one of BioWare's big gimmicks is being able to romance most/all the characters in their games' main casts, but if race, sex, and gender aren't playing direct and significant roles in the storytelling, then really it's treating those characters more like circus exhibits (not to mention marketing ploys) than proper entities, with personalities and voices. "Buy our games, we have trannies" isn't totally unlike saying, "Come to Barnum & Bailey, we have a real mermaid and a two-headed elephant," when you get down to brass tacks.
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There is incontrovertible evidence that the Andromeda team pandered to certain demographics of people.


I would love to see this evidence in all its incontrovertible-ness.

So even though ME1 still has bad writing and is a game for poopooheads overall, no one is being hypocritical for "forgetting" the Black and butch-lesbo characters in the first game.


There were no black or butch lesbo squad members in the first game..... you mean the second game right?
And for the record there are no butch lesbians in ANY Mass Effect Game. Jack is bisexual but only romancable by a male Shepard and Cora Harper is straight.

But it's not "pandering" if a character just happens to be Black or gay, and if he has more traits to define his personality than just being from a certain demographic.


So after a big wall of snarky text this is the crux of your argument.

You're asserting that ME2's (along with maybe ME1 and ME3) diverse characters were just a happy, natural coincidence and just 'happened' to be gay black whatever. But Andromeda somehow shoehorned them in to pander. So what is YOUR standard for what is 'happening' to be diverse and what is 'forcing' diversity?

Or better yet, why don't you provide some of that lovely incontrovertible evidence that you asserted was there but have yet to actually present.
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Oh yes, because Jack is totally Bioware's acknowledgement of lesbians just as Miranda is their acknowledgement of hetero-normative women. Well I have news for you. Miranda can be just as lesbian and Jack can be just as straight. Bioware didn't have some agenda putting Jacob in to be one of the only black humans in the goddamn game.

News Flash: Nobody gives a crap (I'm only here to whine about SJW types never being satisfied). Stop bringing something so inconsequential up and enjoy the goddamn games. If anything, please feel free to dump all over ME3's endings. The only freaky SJW topic in the entire series is Bioware's seeming obsession with machines (i.e. the Geth, Gree and other droids in SWTOR, etc.) having souls, or at least are equal to humans. That's really the only social justice beef Bioware seems to have. Do you see Bioware causing a hubbub about it though? No! Just other random anti-fans who are perfectionists and want game designers to cater to their every need. SJWs are whiny children who didn't get what they wanted or who are too much of a sensitive snowflake to put up with people and/or actions they dislike.

I've said my piece. Hopefully this wraps the discussion up for all you ODD kids and we can all please STFU.
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Oh yes, because Jack is totally Bioware's acknowledgement of lesbians just as Miranda is their acknowledgement of hetero-normative women. Well I have news for you. Miranda can be just as lesbian and Jack can be just as straight. Bioware didn't have some agenda putting Jacob in to be one of the only black humans in the goddamn game.


Just to be clear
Jack isn't a lesbian, I already told you people that. Shes Canonically Bisexual but only a male shepard can get with her.

But I think overall you are agreeing with me so yeah, cool.
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Spot the white nationalist.

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man, you're so smart. thanks for correcting me on your brand of fascism.

Fallacious? I got something you can fellate.

What a white supremacist way to think, not to mention misogynistic.

you okay, dude? do you have unresolved oedipal complexes you haven't resolved? you didn't kill her, did you? you don't wear her skin, do you?

edit: I'll leave the redundancy because I know for a fucking fact you'll point it out, you nerd.


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listen guy i don't know what to tell you this isn't reddit you're not gonna get any upvotes. your smugness in defending your pissy attitude towards brown people already sealed my "white nationalist" comment, which you deftly corrected to white supremacist.

i mean who cares what you think really, because you're a racist.

so again, fellate me.

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@Dynamo Frokane

Your writing confused me to the point that I didn't know WHAT your stance was anymore actually.

Ad Hominem: You British people seem to have a way of writing that is so careful to not offend anybody that you end up sounding like you fully support both sides of an issue. Whereas with my post, I fully intended to come off sounding like a smarmy cunt towards SJWs.
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I would love to see this evidence in all its incontrovertible-ness.


Open the hider. Pay particular attention to the dates.

But Andromeda somehow shoehorned them in to pander. So what is YOUR standard for what is 'happening' to be diverse and what is 'forcing' diversity?


I know you read the post because you quoted directly from the paragraph which explains the difference. Why pretend that you didn't?

And no, I don't draw an arbitrary line between the first three games and Andromeda. BioWare's descent has been slow and gradual, because swallowing the "SJWs buy games so we should cater to them instead of our core audience" meme didn't happen all at once.
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@Dynamo Frokane

Your writing confused me to the point that I didn't know WHAT your stance was anymore actually.

Ad Hominem: You British people seem to have a way of writing that is so careful to not offend anybody that you end up sounding like you fully support both sides of an issue. Whereas with my post, I fully intended to come off sounding like a smarmy cunt towards SJWs.


My stance is that the smug free speech warriors (who are SJWs in their own way) are accusing bioware of doing things that theyve been doing with all their other games.

Complaining that Andromeda is pro black and pro gay and hires progressives while ignoring that bioware has been doing that for every mass effect and dragon age game is just laughable.

But to be clear, I'm not actually an SJW and they have plenty of their own problems like complaining that Cora isnt gay even though she has a 'queer coded' haircut whatever the fuck that means.
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Open the hider. Pay particular attention to the dates.

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I know you read the post because you quoted directly from the paragraph which explains the difference. Why pretend that you didn't?

And no, I don't draw an arbitrary line between the first three games and Andromeda. BioWare's descent has been slow and gradual, because swallowing the "SJWs buy games so we should cater to them instead of our core audience" meme didn't happen all at once.


You clearly have me confused with someone else, you put no hiders in the post you tagged me in, double check yourself bud.

Your explanation of the difference between pandering and not pandering isnt evidence that ME Andromeda was doing things that ME1,2,3 wasnt doing.

But if youre just saying that Bioware OVERALL panders with damn near all of its modern games then I'm not actually arguing with you. Check my second post.
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