[quote=@ZB1996]
I've played Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, and Mass Effect 2, and they were all plenty gay. If you complain that a character is bad because they are defined by their sexuality, race, or gender, you'd be right, 
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Im sure this has been said before in the thread but Mass Effect 2 really isnt that gay. There are no gay romance options in ME2 unless you count a flirty kelly chambers doing a ridiculous striptease for both genders. As [@Fabricant451] said, these are all characters way before their sexuality is introduced and the vast majority of them across these 3 games you've listed are straight.

However I agree with you on everything else for the most part.

[quote=@Buddha]
no thread about lgbt in gaming can be complete if i dont put in my two cents


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DONT HIRE COSPLAYING WOMEN TO BE LEAD ANIMATORS IF THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH MAKING VIDEOGAMES
DONT HIRE DEVELOPERS THAT TWEET ABOUT HATING WHITE PEOPLE
DONT BE A DICK IN GENERAL 

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The integration of LGBT people in Mass Effect Andromeda is laughable at best. My critique has nothing to do with their presence and everything to do with how poorly they were written in, which was lazily done and hinted purely at virtue signalling which I disagree with on principle.

Also Pugbutter made very good points and you guys seemed to ignore them on purpose but you guys all made good points too

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hmmmm, actually, might be unexperienced or just a liar.... you decide
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So a few things.

1. Absolutely agree with you 100% Manveer Heir is a white hating wannabe edgelord prick and doesnt deserve a job at 'inclusive' bioware. I assume his twitter feed wasnt the reason they hired him though, and he doesnt work there anymore which is good. Fuck him. However he was only one of many Gameplay Developers and I dont know if hiring him 'made andromeda shit' as the combat and a lot of the gameplay was actually one of its strong points.


2.Cosplay woman probably lied or exaggerated her position on her twitter profile but the reactionary hate campaign was no answer for it. The real animators have spoke out and said a large reasone for some of the cut corners in animation was because of prioritising more plot relevant cut scenes over side quests, still no excuse though, I think Andromeda was dissapointing in its presentation.

3. I dont think LGBT implementation was 'laughable' in Andromeda, at least no more laughable than the straight characters, I think the game in general suffers from a cheesy script, but I know what pandering is, they havent made characters 'gay for the sake of being gay' at least not anymore than any other Mass Effect game.

4. pugbutter clearly isnt a stupid guy, but the way he came in this thread attempting to be this force of logic and condescending badassery definitely did stink of some Anti-SJW, Right Leaning Sub Reddit Angst where he seemed more concerned with witty put-downs than actual debate. You cant throw around claims that you have incontrovertible evidence and then make claims that Bioware hires 'purple haired hippos' and CD Projekt Red largely doesn't give a fuck about 'women and brown people' and that's why they are better at making games, and expect to be taken seriously. I dont agree with calling him a racist out of the gate, but he wasnt exactly dog-piled or anything.


Just as a side note I really dont know how we got talking about the left wing and commies, this thread is about Mass Effect.