[quote=@mdk] that moment when gloating about how civil your thread is, makes your thread pretty un-civil [/quote] ohh I dont think [b]this[/b] thread is particularly civil, all hope is lost on this one. Still doesnt change the fact that some political threads can be civil, as per the ones I've mentioned. EDIT: but apart from the ace of hearts and pug butter thing, we've largely stayed away from the personal attacks so I'd agree its still civil enough, just not particularly friendly.