[quote=@mdk] I dunno about 'no such existence,' because I mean I do think for example that the workplace is more generally pleasant now that it's taboo to smack a woman's ass for no reason. It's not that benefits [b]cannot[/b] be derived from dogmatic values -- it's just that there's a cost associated with those benefits, and the costs and benefits rarely exist in a state of equilibrium. Either it's obviously the right call, or it's really harmful. The issues we're juggling today (like, idunno, is your health insurance racist?) are generally really harmful, and we shouldn't be standing idly by while it happens. edit: You totally did qualify that statement, so this is more strongly worded than it needs to be, but I'll just leave it anyway. [/quote] I'm in absolute agreement with you regarding weaponized racism. And, I suppose I should have been more clear. Smacking a woman's ass for no reason, to me at least, falls under the law's jurisdiction. In my post, I made the mistake of assuming that specific circumstance being within the realm of common sense. For clarity: No ass smacking in the office (unless consensual, hey, who am I to judge?). It's good that this is seen as wrong, because the elements of sexual assault seem for the most part clear under the guidelines of the law.