[quote=@Chrononaut] Agreed, though if anyone deserves to be insulted personally it's a man who, in front of hundreds of thousands of people (not sure on video viewcounts), decided to 'debate', despite his credentials previously only being making loud shouty noises and surreal jokes. That being said, I enjoy his videos. I am not an immigrant. While I do express concerns about the abused or downtrodden (like those poor souls who are currently locked out of their colleges at the moment due to the temporary immigration ban), often to coworkers who spout anti-poor or anti-immigrant rhetoric, I can't say whether or not I care actually has any affect on the outcome. Immigration hasn't been a real issue for 200 years (though that hasn't stopped people from believing it was at the time), it's the current politicians and anti-immigration spouting bobbleheads that are the problem. They're the ones making it a problem, I'm more concerned about their ilk still being in office. Basically, I view it as a non-issue that was made an issue by idiocy. Really, it's more likely voting Trump into office is the seed that made this an issue, because guess what, this ban was only made possible because he's in office. If we had elected Hillary, it'd just have been a few idiots spouting shit about Muslims. Hopefully everyone can get their head out of their asses and their fingers off their bare nipples before it becomes an actual issue, as in, a permanent immigration ban. Or, and this is the subject of many of my wet dreams, fire Trump, the guy spearheading this shit. So yes, I care, but not enough to shout on twitter "FUCK YOU, TRUMP, YOUR MUMS A CUNT AND I FUCKED HER, THAT I DID"[/quote] So you think that he deserves to be receiving insults from developers who, after they got caught shittalking, made their accounts private? And you don't think that equally deserves backlash just like JonTron got backlash? Purely because... what, purely because youtubers aren't allowed to show political opinions and affiliations? I disagree and I think that's a stupid opinion. He's just as entitled to say what he thinks (and be treated with respect) as anyone else regardless of how he earned his fame. As for your second point, I'm not American, I have literally zero interest in the USA and it's immigration, and I for one am happy that the American hegemony is finally falling (if Trump keeps up what he's doing). So I'm going to ignore everything you said about the US (mostly because the US takes in a stupidly low number of refugees and immigrants to begin with and takes the privilege of being over seas, therefore not being an easily accessible refugee country. That, and the fact that you hand-pick/cherry-pick the refugees that do come...) and explain to you how it is in Europe, where due to geo-location, immigration (both legal and illegal) have been a massive problem for the past 200 years. Because, yes, the world isn't limited to America, and yes, Europe is currently paying for/cleaning up the mess that the USA started when they started bombing the fuck out of the middle East and invading left and right. Europe is currently facing an immigration crisis because we have a stream of refugees that is currently only stemmed per agreement with the hostile Turkish president, mr. Erdotürk, also know as the Dictatürk. He is using this power to manipulate the EU into conceding rights to Turkey, i.e. visa-free travel. So, as you can tell, the immigration crisis here has already had severe political consequences. Remind me how, in fact, this isn't an issue. [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911]Read this.[/url] We're not talking about 100.000 refugees spread in Europe either. They are large numbers. The Netherlands has 17 million people, and we are facing a housing crisis because there aren't enough affordable homes for people. Please enlighten me how we should give these people shelter in a humane way and at the same time maintain order and keep a headcount present to avoid people escaping into illegality when we ask them to return home. [url=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/afgewezen-asielzoeker-verdwijnt-steeds-vaker-van-radar~aa9ea442/]Which volunteer 'help organizations' are suspecting is happening[/url] because people that aren't from dangerous countries (Morocco, Tunis, Albania) are coming here to apply as 'refugee' knowing that they will get sent back. That's apparently not an issue either. But, ignoring refugees, lets assume that everything is 100% okay there. What about existing immigrant families? I mean surely, the US has got to handpick all immigrants that entered the USA except for Mexicans, so your integration is 100% okay because people that live there as immigrants actually live there because the US let them live there. What about here? Well, immigrants here aren't integrated at all. For example, third generation Dutch citizens with a migration background (so, grandparents that came from abroad) still suffer a language barrier because they just don't learn Dutch. And, let me tell you, that's not because they are just simply genetically inferior, it's because of culture. [url=http://www.art1.nl/nprd/factsheets/FactsheetOnderwijspositieNPRDNov2006.pdf]You can read it in Dutch here[/url]. You wouldn't understand but perhaps you can translate it, if you truly think that immigration is not an issue then perhaps you will find a way to explain why certain demographics have a harder time with the Dutch language despite being born here. But it's not just them. Asians have completely segregated themselves from the rest of society (as they do all across the world) and perhaps this is the finest example of integration I can give you except it's not 'integration'. It's just co-existence. They're not integrated at all. They just respect our culture and we don't ask questions about theirs because they do what they do in private. That's not integration at all. We used the slogan 'The Netherlands, our multicultural society' a few years back and we have unofficially changed this to 'The Netherlands, our failed multicultural schoolproject' nowadays simply because multiculturalism doesn't work when you can't control who enters your country and under what motives. So no, I disagree entirely, immigration is very important no matter which side of the argument you are one. And even though I care, I'm not going online to shout at people, because believe it or not, there is a difference between being anti-immigration for no reason other than racism, or having issues with the current immigration policy, or simply having concerns about it.