[quote=@Chrononaut] We aren't dealing with illegal immigration though. We're nuclear bombing all immigration. [/quote] What are you talking about? Are you talking about the travel ban that Trump signed recently? Or are you talking about something else completely different? To me, I disagree with that point. [quote=@Chrononaut] Also, "illegal immigration" is a fancy word for "illegal Mexicans" in America. If we were to actually deal with illegal immigrants in a way that would lead to solving the problem, it would have to be to directly deal with Mexico itself. [/quote] I am also talking about Central American countries as well Mexico and other countries that come into America illegally. America cannot just solve the illegal immigration problem without dealing with other countries, especially South and Central America. [quote=@Chrononaut] I don't see America acting to stop Mexican immigrants, I see America acting to stop all immigrants, including legal ones, from entering the country. We're even thinking of banning citizens who had illegal parents, but know no other life other than being an American, from being here. It's stupid. [/quote] Evidence that America is trying to end all immigration, ban all immigrants, and even ban citizens who had illegal parents? Because that sounds like fear-mongering to me. Correct me if I am wrong, of course. [quote=@Chrononaut] And it's not even really a problem. If anything, illegal immigrants (mexicans) benefit our economy by allowing an easily exploitable resource of hopeful idiots to enter our country, thus granting most legal citizenry cheap food product through underpaid labor. Capitalism! [/quote] That is why I think that America should focus on making people interested in becoming farmers and factory workers, so they do not have to rely on others. Almost everyone (including Americans) has become too lazy to work with their hands thanks to technological advances and entertainment. What do you mean by 'hopeful idiots?' [url=https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/the-ethnic-groups-that-still-believe-in-the-american-dream/472776/]Many Hispanics and Asians still believe in the American Dream to this day.[/url] And I have respect for immigrants (even the illegal ones, shocking right?) that they are trying to improve their lives where their home country failed to do so. That is also why I believe that America should focus on improving other countries after fixing their own problems. [quote=@Chrononaut] Whether or not you think that practice is morally right or wrong, it's basically a win for the legal citizen. While we're talking wars we'll never win, how about that war on drugs? That seems to be working real well for us, too. [/quote] We can also talk about America's failures throughout history all day (since it's like no other country has failed also) but that is another discussion that someone else could post. The War on Drugs needs to end and quickly. I believe in marijuana legalization across the nation. I do not, however, believe in decriminalizing all drugs like Portugal did. I could go into more depth, but that would derail the thread. [quote=@Vilageidiotx] JonTron and Pewdiepie are two different situations though. Pewdiepie isn't a racist, he's just unfunny. JonTron actually insinuated some racist shit. I agree that we shouldn't let the word racism completely lose it's meaning, but that also means not going the other direction and thinking that racism requires explicit violence or slurs or whatever. [/quote] Of course, I agree with you that racism does also require explicit violence. However, I do believe in giving people a second chance. Like if a white supremacist changes his entire viewpoint and realize that he has done wrong, then I would give him a chance to prove it. We should be giving them and others a chance rather than just assume that they will change. It is like when people are saying 'punch a nazi.' What if that Nazi has completely changed? Would you try to forgive him or punish him anyway because of his past. Of course, I am getting off topic (again). [quote=@Vilageidiotx] when did the right wing get into post-modernism? i'm used to post modernism being something edgy left wing kids do. where the fuck this idea that it's not cool to call it racism, that it must be called a "non-standard" view come from? this is some weird shit. Is this the new political correctness? [/quote] Well, post-modernism affects everyone, including the conservatives and the communists. The idea that it isn't cool to call it racism, it's the idea that you must be a racist if you do nothing. Left-leaning political ideas are more popular and common than right-leaning ideas. Not saying that the right does not exist because it does. Like how a Tumblr post that talks about feminism gets tens of thousands of likes and reblogs while a post about pro-gun gets only a few hundred to a thousand likes and reblogs. And I am wondering if you think that I am a part of the right wing movement? Just curious. [quote=@Vilageidiotx] That being said, the arguments about illegal immigration shouldn't be white genocide or shit like that, because that's just dumb. We can talk about taxes and wages and shit like that, but when we get into racial demographic BS (back to JonTron now), well... that's racist. Does that make him a Nazi? No. That makes him a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing]Know-Nothing[/url]. But still a racist. [/quote] The Know-Nothing party was mainly anti-Catholic and they were scared because they truly believed that the Catholics were limited liberties and freedom back in Europe. I do not understand how the Know-Nothing party fits into the modern day and that JonTron is one. Is it because of nativism or populist is highly present in the party? Care to explain?