[quote=@Vilageidiotx]
Okay, first and foremost lets be honest about that source. Punditry is punditry. It'd be like be posting articles from the Jacobin. Those are meant for ideological examination, not for public debate. 

What I am trying to say with "everyone is racist" is that racism isn't something only Nazis do, but it is more like what [@Buddha] has got at a few times, that tribalistic thinking is sort of innate, and it is part of the human condition that we are supposed to rise above it. We are never perfect, and everyone occasionally slips. At the same time, there are levels. JonTron did more then just slip. He didn't go full Nazi, but none the same he did double down on some tribalistic bullshit. This thread to me has thus far been two basic arguments that weave around each other and into each other a bit.

A: Saying that JonTron said some bullshit and calling it what it is; bullshit.

B: Arguing that calling bullshit "bullshit" is just too mean, and that we must obfuscate honesty for the sake of some politically correct post-modern shit. 

Also, prejudice and ignorance are general rules that cover multiple situations, whereas racism is a specific word. I am prejudice of McDonalds locations I've never been too. I am ignorant of particle physics. Racism is a word that can be used to cover ignorance and prejudice in regards to race specifically.
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Okay, I simply think there's a huge difference between, not knowing about and hating/having ill will towards another's race. Racism has never been used in a mild critique, it's always a damning word of someone's moral compass and always had an extremely negative connotation. Saying everyone is (only a slight step down from everything is, like your wooden chair is racist in someway.) Just doesn't hold any water. Especially, since people are charged with the crime of hating their own race, how the fuck does that work out in tribal terms? If you count ignorance as racism, I feel that makes the word meaningless. I simply think most of it boils down to lack of knowledge about other cultures, but once you learn about those cultures...or hell if you live in those cultures. You won't feel or think any differently than someone in that culture. Meaning you aren't born racist, you're born without knowledge.

Jontron said some poorly thought out statements. (which he admitted to doing.) Though the crime statistics I'm not convinced are bullshit...So mixing all those statements like they're somehow equal, seems unhelpful. It's not wrong to call out stupidity, but assuming ill intentions with paper thin evidence is going too far. (at least in my opinion.) And if all it was, was saying "Hey, those statements we're kind of stupid to say. You didn't think that out very clearly!" Vs. "OMG he hates black people, that one joke he made a long time ago was realz!?" "Now it's okay to talk down to him! Let's ruin his career!" which is exactly what most conversations have been from various social media websites.

I think it's a little disturbing to assume such awful things about other people, that they've never even had a passing conversation with. I just don't think tribalism is really an accurate word either. People are individuals, they're not a collective. I don't know exactly how to describe it, but all I see in life, more often than not. Isn't tribalism, but bandwagon hatred. The kind of desperation to fit in that you'll hate whatever people in your circles hate.

[quote=@Vilageidiotx]
Well I hope we can debate the nature of law, yeh. That's a backbone of western thought. Leave it to the courts to be specific about legality, it is the job of the rest of us as citizens to debate based on what is best for our society.
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But trespassing has kind of always been seen as a bad thing, probably before private propriety laws were even a thing...and there's just so much more to it than that. I think the "debate" is why people try to make it seem like people are talking about "immigration" when their not and talking specifically about people breaking the law. I don't see much leeway in that...Now legal immigration can be discussed until the cows come home and then we can laugh about Canada and Trudeau being a lying dick. "Everyone's welcome here!" - says the guy that has far stricter immigration policies in his country than the united states.