[@Inkarnate] Eh...I mean I won't argue and haven't for a bit now that I'm perfect at trying to debate politely with 3 people when it was originally a 1 and 1 discussion where I've been insulted a dozen times yet and somehow worse off for doing it far less. A little more extreme example of two wrongs don't make a right. 

But um this hasn't been remotely civil for 6 pages now....XD

Precisely why I asked for everyone to end it, because despite not being 30's. I'm a guy who has lived in the adult world nearly since I legally became one, so I like to end things that aren't going anywhere. How about I just apologize for anything you may of been negatively effected by and let's move on with our day. :D