[quote=@Devil] You try to impose a system that our tournament doesn't operate on, but you'd prefer I say "it doesn't make sense" which is much more arbitrary than some established and enforceable rule. I can equally say "well ether doesn't make sense" and then what?[/quote] I fail to see how we're trying to impose anything on anyone other than just simply saying "this is how these characters that we created work." None of us is dictating how other people's entries work. Also I still think you're missing the point that "ether" is just a word used to encompass an array of other things. [quote=@Devil] Whose logic does any of this follow? None of the things anyone's powers do or even the powers themselves exist. How do you determine a logical "sense" of made up shit? You know what does make sense? At least crafting rules that a particular type of something doesn't encompass a broad ranges of things so it isn't super effective against all types. That is something we can all agree on because "Godmodding" wouldn't be an almost acceptable rule in general T1 roleplaying. You guys can come in with your character's structure because that's not what's being contested. The application of such a thing IS being contested. [/quote] Logic is logic, and applies equally well to fantasy as it does to reality. Unless you're operating on a basis of intended refutation of logic for some reason - chaos, entropy, some of the more bizarre things that have popped up in comics over the years whose stated intention is to defy logic purposefully - then logic can be applied regardless of the fantastical nature of the subjects you're working with. Logic is just logic. "Does it make sense for Subject A to interact in this manner with Subject B" or "Is there an understandable relationship between Subject C and Subject D." Fantasy and logic are not mutually exclusive concepts. Don't conflate logic with realism. [quote=@Devil] You have ignored one of the basic points of my post when I said how things interact CAN be tabulated even if they aren't "universally" compatible which it itself is a really illogical concept as forces in real life, no matter how compatible, will and do conflict with each other. Friction is a thing. [/quote] I don't see that this is being ignored at all. Frankly, I'm afraid this whole thing is now getting buried in semantics. Forces interact, as they should. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but everything I've seen suggests that you're saying that the forces don't interact. Apologies if I am misunderstanding your point of view, but the whole point of the way some of the characters are built is that the forces do indeed interact, regardless of what label that has been applied to them. Really, that's the whole concept behind this "ether" term that you seem to dislike. And just to state, I'm not trying to be bothersome or cause trouble, but merely to ensure that everyone is getting a fair and impartial shake when it comes to the submission process, regardless of their point of origin or affiliation or who their friends are. I've been in your shoes, and I understand that it can be tiresome to wade through things on occasion and it sometimes isn't always easy to fully grasp an unfamiliar piece of writing without the context. If you'd like I'm more than happy to try and help clarify things that might not be readily apparent or that the back and forth between the judges and entrants isn't quite explaining. I see no need for butting heads when, at least in my experience, things usually just need to be explained in a different way.